What if Adam had refused to eat the forbidden fruit?

[Anguspure]

Question: What would have happened if Adam
had refused to eat the forbidden fruit?

Assuming that Eve ate it and transgressed the command of God, but Adam did not.
Would she have been saved by Adam's obedience? Would humankind have been in a
fallen state as a consequence of her sin alone? Furthermore, if Adam had eaten from
the Tree of Life instead, how would that have further affected the situation.

I think Adam probably had the opurtunity to lay down his life for her's and failed. That is why we attribute the sin is his mistake. He could have died for her in his sinless state and been the hero as God created him to be.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Yes.

To display His power and glory and might through His justice, righteousness, grace, mercy and love. For God to display these attributes, He must have an object on which to display these things.

Romans 9.

God needs evil to reveal Himself if that's true.

 

[Anguspure]

God needs evil to reveal Himself if that's true.

God doesn't need evil.

It is sinful fallen man that often needs to see the consequence of his sin before he flees back to his creator.

 

[Anguspure]

did you also think angels could save her too?, since they were the faithfuls .

Angels are not human. The penalty for the sin of a human is the death of a human.

 

[Saint Steven]

Yes.

To display His power and glory and might through His justice, righteousness, grace, mercy and love. For God to display these attributes, He must have an object on which to display these things.

Romans 9.

Can you be more specific? You threw a whole chapter at me.

Why would it be in our best interest for our loving heavenly Father to facilitate
the Fall of humankind as an act of his "sovereign decree"? Was not the Fall a result
of our own actions, not his. Let's put the blame where it belongs. Or are you
claiming that we were set-up? (a theory worthy of investigation)

 

[Dave L]

Question: What would have happened if Adam
had refused to eat the forbidden fruit?

Assuming that Eve ate it and transgressed the command of God, but Adam did not.
Would she have been saved by Adam's obedience? Would humankind have been in a
fallen state as a consequence of her sin alone? Furthermore, if Adam had eaten from
the Tree of Life instead, how would that have further affected the situation.

Paul says Adam was our representative in Romans 5. So had he remained righteous, God would have considered us righteous. But we would only have Adam's human righteousness imputed to us and the earthy privileges and rewards it would earn.

But since Adam sinned, we suffered his guilt and punishment as if our own. Albeit Christ, the second Adam remained righteous as our representative. And all who are in Christ wear his righteousness and enjoy all of its rewards. So instead of being deprived of the best Adam could ever provide for us, we have the righteousness of God in Christ instead. And the foreverness in the New Heavens and earth it provides.

 

[JoeP222w]

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[JoeP222w]

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[dreadnought]

Well Eve sins in that scenario. They just wanted to know what would have changed if Adam didn't sin but Eve still did.

Probably nothing important - we all sin, and I don't think we can blame it on original sin.

 

[bling]

On that basis what would the conclusion be?

I think we are speculating on an impossibility, something that would not happen and God knew that.
If humans could obtain Godly type Love without sinning we might all start out in a Garden type situation, but one of the things Adam and Eve teach us is the Garden situation is a lousy (impossible) place for humans to obtain Godly type Love and fulfill their earthly objective.
Adam was the very best all human representative, but he was not a clone of Christ and could not be since Adam was a created being, so he was "very good" but not perfect.
The issue is not with sin, but fulfilling the earthly objective, so if man has to sin in order to fulfill his objective God will allow him to sin.

 

[Hank77]

He would have been immortal and I assume he wouldn't have been allowed to live with his wife as she would be kicked out of Eden and it was Adam's job to take care of the garden.

I'm not so sure that Eve would have been removed from the garden. She didn't receive the knowledge of good and evil until after Adam also ate from the tree.

 

[Hank77]

If Adam had not sinned, He would have been Christ to her. There were no other men no other women. The loss of either meant they would be utterly alone. Adam had experienced being alone. He would be alone if He did not sin but not utterly alone. She would hate him for being a living contradiction against her. He would have to love her through that hate like Christ did us. She would have to accept salvation. He would have saved his generation of being born in sin. There would only be personal sin.

When you say personal sin, do you mean that all men wouldn't be born with propensity to sin? So not all people would sin, only some would sin?

 

[Eloy Craft]

. God has no need of anything. He is complete and sufficient in and of Himself.

is there any other way YOU know of he could have revealed thhose attributes of His?

And if you don't like God displaying His justice and righteousness, then you have no claim to enjoy His grace and mercy.

How did what I like become the subject? Look up the term ad hominim and try to avoid it going forward.

 

[Chinchilla]

If Adam and Eve had a child before sinning then It would be a problem , because the child would be born in image of God instead of Image of Adam . Because everybody sinned after Adam ( Adam and Eve were one flesh ) Christ could atone for them as one man aswell , but the child would either need to never sin somehow or if It sinned there would be no atonement for her/she .

That's my speculation . God told them to multiply but glad that they did not prior to sinning .

 

[Eloy Craft]

When you say personal sin, do you mean that all men wouldn't be born with propensity to sin? So not all people would sin, only some would sin?

Yes . Exactly. If any.

 

[Dave L]

If Adam and Eve had a child before sinning then It would be a problem , because the child would be born in image of God instead of Image of Adam . Because everybody sinned after Adam ( Adam and Eve were one flesh ) Christ could atone for them as one man aswell , but the child would either need to never sin somehow or if It sinned there would be no atonement for her/she .

That's my speculation . God told them to multiply but glad that they did not prior to sinning .

“And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.” (Genesis 3:20)


If you consider Adam represented the human race and God considered his sin our sin (See Romans Chapter 5), then hundreds could have fallen in him when he fell. Just as God considered untold billions righteous when Jesus, the Second Adam passed the test Adam failed in behalf of believers.

I can explain this further if needed.

 

[JoeP222w]

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[Chinchilla]

“And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.” (Genesis 3:20)


If you consider Adam represented the human race and God considered his sin our sin (See Romans Chapter 5), then hundreds could have fallen in him when he fell. Just as God considered untold billions righteous when Jesus, the Second Adam passed the test Adam failed in behalf of believers.

I can explain this further if needed.

You need to keep in mind that untill Adam and Eve both sinned there was no curse , after Eve sinned Adam had choice to make because he was not deceived (1 Timothy 2:14) .Adam willfully ate the fruit . Untill both Adam and Eve ate there was no sin , then after Adam ate they eyes were opened and they saw that they were naked .

We don't know how would it work if there was 3rd person involved .

 

[Dave L]

You need to keep in mind that untill Adam and Eve both sinned there was no curse , after Eve sinned Adam had choice to make because he was not deceived (1 Timothy 2:14) .Adam willfully ate the fruit . Untill both Adam and Eve ate there was no sin , then after Adam ate they eyes were opened and they saw that they were naked .

We don't know how would it work if there was 3rd person involved .

Adam, not Eve was the representative of the human race. So Eve sinned, but their eyes were not opened until Adam sinned. Eve fell in Adam along with his race.

 

[Chinchilla]

Adam, not Eve was the representative of the human race. So Eve sinned, but their eyes were not opened until Adam sinned. Eve fell in Adam along with his race.

No they were one flesh .

We have it today too .
1 Corinthians 7:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.