What I don't like about Calvary Chapel

[random person]

Jesus said that in this world you will have tribulation.

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

When I said "judgement" I was speaking of when Jesus sits on his glorious throne and judges the nations.

the greek word used for nations in matthew 25:32 is the greek word used in luke 7:5; luke 23:2; john 11:48; john 11:50-53; john 18:35; acts of the apostles 10:22; acts of the apostles 24:2

 

[GracetotheHumble]

the greek word used for nations in matthew 25:32 is the greek word used in luke 7:5; luke 23:2; john 11:48; john 11:50-53; john 18:35; acts of the apostles 10:22; acts of the apostles 24:2

So are you saying that "nations" doesn't really mean nations?

 

[random person]

So are you saying that "nations" doesn't really mean nations?

during the times of the romans the holy land was broken up into regions/provinces there was galilee, samaria, judea, idumea, perea, decapolis, gaulanitis, batanea, auranitis, etc. not to mention the deceased. the judgment of the living and the dead acts of the apostles 10:42 & 2 timothy 4:1.

 

[GracetotheHumble]

during the times of the romans the holy land was broken up into regions/provinces there was galilee, samaria, judea, idumea, perea, decapolis, gaulanitis, batanea, auranitis, etc. not to mention the deceased. the judgment of the living and the dead acts of the apostles 10:42 & 2 timothy 4:1.

I take the word nations to mean: all the peoples of the world collectively.

 

[random person]

I take the word nations to mean: all the peoples of the world collectively.

in the hebrew, the most common word used scripturely for world is erets

in the greek, the most common word used scripturely for world is ge

both share identical multiple meanings such as earth, world, land, soil, territory, country, etc

however matthew 24:14 uses a different greek word for world and that is oikoumene which means exclusively roman lands because the rest of the world were considered barbarians by the romans that identical definition and meaning was adopted from the hellenist greeks. once the gospel spreads through the roman empire the age (mosaic age) comes to an end circa 70 a.d.

 

[random person]

I take the word nations to mean: all the peoples of the world collectively.

oikoumene (roman lands exclusively) http://biblehub.com/text/luke/2-1.htm

oikoumene (roman lands exclusively) http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/24-14.htm

ge (world, earth, land, territory, country, soil, etc) http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/1-7.htm

 

[Dave-W]

in the hebrew, the most common word used scripturely for world is erets

Which refers to land (as opposed to water) in general and specifically the land given to the Israelites.

If referring to the world in general, the word usually is 'olam. But that word is very sensitive to the prefixes/suffixes. Ha'olam is the physical world; i.e. the earth. L'olam refers to time (all time) and L'olam va-ed refers to eternity.

 

[Dave-W]

I take the word nations to mean: all the peoples of the world collectively.

In Hebrew, the word for nation is goy, with the plural being goyim.

Israel is called a nation in the singular, but the reference of nations in the plural is everyone EXCEPT Israel. (the goyim, aka gentiles)

 

[GracetotheHumble]

In Hebrew, the word for nation is goy, with the plural being goyim.

Israel is called a nation in the singular, but the reference of nations in the plural is everyone EXCEPT Israel. (the goyim, aka gentiles)

But I was speaking of the parable of the sheep and the goats where Jesus states that all nations will be gathered before him. I am sure this refers to Jews as well as gentiles.

 

[Dave-W]

But I was speaking of the parable of the sheep and the goats where Jesus states that all nations will be gathered before him. I am sure this refers to Jews as well as gentiles.

Probably. But the problem is HE was speaking in Aramaic while the scripture comes down to us in Greek. That is not a 1 to 1 translation.

 

[RDKirk]

Hi, let me start off by saying that I really do like Calvary Chapel. But there are a few things I have found that I really don't like about it. They are:

1. No focus on the sacrament. Out of all the Calvary Chapels I went to we never took communion. I find this very disturbing.

We attended Calvary Chapel of Honolulu in the 90s, Bill Stonebraker pastor. Of all the congregations we attended during and after my highly mobile military years, that was one of only two I could whole-heartedly recommend to anyone.

If you never saw a communion occur in 10 years, I would suggest you're not attending the service that congregation does communion. In some cases, they have services--particularly the Sunday morning traditionally scheduled service--that is designed for visitors with a non-member-oriented (more evangelistic) message. They may have a different service explicitly designed for members with a member-oriented message (one that might, for instance, point to issues peculiar to that congregation, congregational finance matters, et cetera), and that service may also be when the congregationally private matter of communion occurs.

 

[RDKirk]

I am sure that preterism is NOT a doctrinal plank of the Calvary Chapel. That discussion should be taken to another forum.

Can't be preterist and pre-trib at the same time, and they're definitely pre-trib.

 

[Jesuscentered]

What do I "Not" like about CCs?... Where do I start?

1). Too political
2). Too much focus on end times
3) Too cultural
4) Jesus is no longer the center of everything
5) Just about keeping the masses happy... lost interest in witnessing through love and compassion.

They've lost their focus (Or, at least the one I went to for many years has). It's strayed so much that I consider it cult like now. I know what you're thinking... but sorry, it's my honest opinion.

 

[Tayla]

Their statement of faith includes pre-trib rapture. Weird.

 

[Tayla]

What don't I like about Calvary Chapel?

• They are fundamentalist evangelical Protestant.
• They are charismatic.
  
• They are anti-Catholic.
  
• They are young earth creationist.
• They believe in the rapture.

 

[Tayla]

The wrath to come is judgement, death, and hell.

Yes, of course that's what it means. How is it possible to not see this?

 

[Tayla]

There is no such thing as a seven year tribulation, it is found no where in scripture. We have been in tribulation since Christ came.

The wrath to come is clearly eternity without Christ.

Yes. It's so obvious.

 

[Tayla]

The resurrection occurs on the last day at the end of the age otherwise how would you rise again.

Yes, of course.

 

[Sojourner1]

What don't I like about Calvary Chapel?

• They are fundamentalist evangelical Protestant.
• They are charismatic.
  
• They are anti-Catholic.
  
• They are young earth creationist.
• They believe in the rapture.

Calvary Chapel churches are not charismatic nor are they anti-Catholic. They are fundamental in their Biblical beliefs and evangelical in their outreach to the unsaved.

 

[Tayla]

The last day is the final day of this world before the new heavens and new earth; after that the resurrection occurs and we are with Christ for eternity.

Thank you for mentioning the new heavens and new earth. This should be shouted from the rooftops, it's such a glorious hope.