What Hit the Pentagon? A UFO!

[oldbetang]

More importantly , how does Cheney back up Mineta's version of the timeline?

 

[k]

Goodness-he's recounting the sequence of events. He says he spoke with mineta before he says they were told about flight 77 impact. Why is that so hard to see?

 

[oldbetang]

Highlight where he says that he spoke with Mineta.

 

[k]

Marek, so sorry-can't use quote feature when on pda & right now iam too poor to buy a computer & have internet at home so i try to keep it organized by saying names in responses.

 

[Marek]

Marek, so sorry-can't use quote feature when on pda & right now iam too poor to buy a computer & have internet at home so i try to keep it organized by saying names in responses.

Oh, okay - no problem.

 

[k]

Dave, you have never addressed the fact the fbi took so many video tapes never to have released them. You have not proven 77 hit the pentagon & this thread is about that event as a whold so don't try to dictate to me what the thread is about.

 

[k]

Marek, i have researched it myself and am still doing so to see if we can prove 77 hit the pent. As of yet that has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt hence the purpose of info in the op.

 

[k]

Oh boy oldbetang-cheney said he had mineta access to the faa-which means he had to talk with mineta in the bunker because according to your argument mineta was in the bunker before cheney since you are claiming cheney got there at 9:58 am.

 

[k]

Even by your argument the log says mineta was in the bunker at 9:37 and cheney said he was in the bunker when he had mineta access to the faa.

 

[David Gould]

Dave, you have never addressed the fact the fbi took so many video tapes never to have released them.

What has that to do with what hit the pentagon? Are you claiming that the FBI have tapes of something other than flight 77 hitting the Pentagon? Are you actually going to make a claim? If not, there is nothing to answer.

You have not proven 77 hit the pentagon

Then how about you respond to some of my posts on this issue. How about you tell me how the bodies got there, how the black box got there, and how the wreckage got there if the plane didn't hit the pentagon?

There is only one reasonable answer on the table here: the plane hit the pentagon. If you have another one you wish to present, I invite you to do so - and I have done so numerous times. I even did some of your work for you by presenting other potential answers. You claim that there are other potential answers. Care to put one on the table?

& this thread is about that event as a whold so don't try to dictate to me what the thread is about.

I can, and I will, dictate what I will discuss, however. The only thing that I am interested in at the moment is what hit the pentagon. All the other stuff is irrelevant to that point. And it seems to me that you bring it up because you are dodging the questions. What hit the pentagon, Neverstop? Why were the bodies there if it wasn't the plane?

 

[k]

Why did the commission report exclude mineta's testimon? Well, the cr excluded a LOT that didn't help bush's admin.

 

[k]

Dave, you have not done any of my work as i would never propose any of those alternatives. Iam not proposing alternatives because we can't do that until we can establish what is fact. Why hasn't the fbi released any of the tapes?

 

[David Gould]

Dave, you have not done any of my work as i would never propose any of those alternatives. Iam not proposing alternatives because we can't do that until we can establish what is fact. Why hasn't the fbi released any of the tapes?

Who knows?

Are you suggesting any reason? If not, then it is irrelevant.

Answer this question:

Does the defence accept that the bodies were at the Pentagon crash site?

 

[k]

Who knows? It's irrelevent unless you can show what was at the crash site is xactly what was examined. See how absurd it can be to dismiss an important aspect?

 

[David Gould]

Who knows? It's irrelevent unless you can show what was at the crash site is xactly what was examined.

Let us assume that I got you footage showing the crash. Would you believe it? After all, film footage can be faked.

This is why the camera footage is completely irrelevant - whatever it shows, it can simply be dismissed, either by you or by me.

See how absurd it can be to dismiss an important aspect?

It is not an important aspect. Answer the bloody question.

 

[oldbetang]

Oh boy oldbetang-cheney said he had mineta access to the faa-which means he had to talk with mineta in the bunker because according to your argument mineta was in the bunker before cheney since you are claiming cheney got there at 9:58 am.

He didn't say that he had Mineta access the FAA. He said that he himself had access to the FAA.

 

[oldbetang]

Even by your argument the log says mineta was in the bunker at 9:37 and cheney said he was in the bunker when he had mineta access to the faa.

Again, when Cheney was in the bunker, he had access to the FAA. In fact, he most likely had access to the FAA even when he was in the tunnel leading to the bunker.

 

[k]

Okay-i should have listened to myself from before. Cheney and mineta confirm each other in the bunker before 77 hit but thats not good enough. It's also being forgotten if 77 hit before he got to the bunker they would not have been tracking it from there.

 

[mwb]

Dave, you have not done any of my work as i would never propose any of those alternatives. Iam not proposing alternatives because we can't do that until we can establish what is fact. Why hasn't the fbi released any of the tapes?

What kind of logic is that??????

The official explanation is the facts so far. If you have facts that dispute a plane hit the Pentagon, let's see them. Maybe your facts as presented will override the official facts.

It appears the facts you are waiting for are the facts that prove a plane did not hit the Pentagon. How many years are you going to wait for your facts? Does this mean for the next 20 years everyone is wrong because the true facts have not come in yet? Unless there are more investigations yet to come, the official record is the facts.

Be straight with people like oldbetang & David Gould who have spent hours of their time looking for evidence that doesn't exist.

You should also clarify your objective of the thread. If it's a cheerleading session for 9/11 conspirators then say so. It seemed you were asking for the truth but obviously you don't want the truth. You want to collect all the theories & have a discussion about all the other possibilities so you can punch a hole or two in the official record & then state the entire record is false.

That's quite a leap of faith to imply because we don't know where Cheney was & whether Mineta is telling the truth that means a plane must not have hit the Pentagon when there were plane parts & dead bodies on the scene.

 

[David Gould]

I think that I will have to depart this thread. It is causing my blood pressure to rise too much. I will probably observe, but I will do my best to stop myself from posting again.

Thanks for the discussion, Neverstop.