What Hit the Pentagon? A UFO!

[k]

Dave, the acronym 'dna' does not appear in the link in the op but how do you think the autopsies were performed to create the autopsy list? Also, look at the manifest from aa.

 

[k]

I only pointed to that post article because it was the first i found. Read the first paragraph & it will be seen where the post claims the hijackers were identified. My pda cut off the last part of the article so i didn't see where they said hijackers were not really identified but they guessed from lack of matching dna. The article contradicts itself.

 

[k]

The links in the op are solid so no revision is necessary. But thanks for the thought.

 

[k]

For mineta, i say one source because the ss agents and the logs are in the same camp. You wouldn't agree gore and greenpeace are independent sources so apply the same standards and common sense on this. How could mineta have imagined cheney and the questions?

 

[SallyNow]

Yes, Pres. Bush probably used this tragedy to up his political status. Yes, some evidence was probably manipulated to make it appear that this was unavoidable. Yes, efforts were made to connect it to Iraq, which we now know were bunk. And yes, the Pentagon has a lot of egg on its face, considering its top facility was so damaged by a plane.

Maybe the Pentagon's big secret is that there aren't any secret facilities, and all the important stuff was in the Pentagon, a very visible facility.

Conspiracy theories annoy me, but because I like Neverstop I'm going to play.

My ADD kicked in about halfway through the OP (no one's fault but my own). So forgive me if these questions have been addressed, but:

1)"Well, what did hit the Pentagon?"

A UFO, of course.

and

2) what happened to Flight 77?

They are on an island similiar to the one on LOST, only with less internet access and more TV channels.

 

[k]

Okay, would everyone here accept cheney's own words on the whitehouse website? I would think so. On 9/16/01 cheney was on meet the press and he told the entire world he entered the bunker, talked with mineta, then got word the pentagon got hit. In that order.

 

[k]

Google: cheney stated on meet the press he was in peoc when pentagon got hit: 1st link should be whitehouse.gov-now who wants to claim this evidence isn't good enough?

 

[Allister]

So, two years of planning the attacks and for the actual striking of the pentagon they just said, 'when you get close enough, just wing it!' that doesn't make sense.

If it was a government conspiricy and the hijacked plane in question did not strike the pentagon why would the conspiritors create a situation open to doubt?

surely they would have flown whatever hit the pentagon in the safest, most effective and 'obvious' route. What if the conspiritors did indeed fly at the angle and closeness to the ground as shown and messed up? that would have ruined everything. surely a conspiritor would have hit at the easiest and safest angle to avoid complications.

the fact that the plane struck at the height and angle shown, imo, points towards an incompetent pilot who hijacked a plane.

 

[k]

Many expert pilots diagree with that elementary analysis.

 

[mwb]

If the pilots tried to replicate the Pentagon crash using a simulator, assuming there were 50 variables to consider (height of the plane, angle of the crash, wind speed, wind gusts, barometric pressure, etc), they would have to test 40,000 different scenerios to replicate the crash.

I doubt they took all the time to test all the different scenerios. They were probably like you. They had a preconceived conclusion & didn't do the work because they wanted the outcome of their test to show the crash couldn't have occurred the way it's described in the official recored of what happened that day.

If you do have documentation of the tests, I would love to see it.

 

[k]

There were very few variables as the exact weather condition, plane, and flight path has been established.

 

[Rik]

lol @ this thread...

 

[mwb]

There were very few variables as the exact weather condition, plane, and flight path has been established.

So that's it? Another investigation done in secret & you have made the judgement call that the investigation was done correctly.

Then you wonder why people don't buy what you're selling.

 

[mwb]

lol @ this thread...

It is funny. Until you realize the make believe world here influences people's voting in the real world. The real & fantasy should never intersect. That's a recipe for disaster.

 

[oldbetang]

Clarke, a photographer, and abc all have cheney in peoc long before the pent hit. TWO , not 'several' ss agents, and a log have mineta in about 15 min before he says. 3 independent sources verify cheney & 1 source disputes mineta.

Ok, you're just discussing the timeline regarding Cheney. At least THREE Secret Service agents offered testimony that contradicted Mineta's timeline. That's in addition to the SS Log entries. What info do you have on the photographer's and ABC accounts? Are those two not in fact one and the same?

Richard Clarke offers contradictory accounts within his own book, "Against All Enemies". In one passage , he places Cheney in the PEOC at 9:28AM. However, that conflicts with two other passages:

Stafford slipped me a note. "Radar shows aircraft headed this way." Secret Service had a system that allowed them to see what FAA's radar was seeing. "I'm going to empty out the complex." He was ordering the evacuation of the White House.​

Ralph Seigler stuck his head into the room, "There has been an explosion in the Pentagon parking lot, maybe a car bomb!" . . . ​

Against All Enemies​

The evacuation order was not decided on until 9:34 and Stafford was probably informing Clarke about a few minutes later. Also, the Pentagon wasn't hit until 9:38, which rules out the possibility that Cheney was in the PEOC at the time.

The television screen in the upper left was running CNN on mute. Noticing the President coming on, Lisa turned on the volume and the crisis conference halted to listen. "...into the World Trade Centre in an apparent attack on our country."​

During the pause, I noticed that Brian Stafford, Director of the Secret Service, was now in the room. He pulled me aside. "We gotta get him out of there to somplace safe... and secret. I've stashed FLOTUS". FLOTUS was White House speak for Mrs Bush, First Lady of the United States, now in a heavily guarded, unmarked building in Washington...​

"Can you work with Brian", I told [Franklin] Miller. "Figure out where to move the President? He can't come back here until we know what the sh** is happening."..."​

Page 6​

Against All Enemies​

That doesn't match up with the 9:28 arrival time, because Bush delivered his address at 9:30.

So that pretty much removes Clarke from your list of "independent sources".

Four Sources contradict Mineta's timeline. Only one backs it up, and that one is rather vague.

 

[oldbetang]

Dave, the acronym 'dna' does not appear in the link in the op but how do you think the autopsies were performed to create the autopsy list? Also, look at the manifest from aa.

The Official Manifest of American Airlines Flight 77. It can also be viewed at a Government exhibit at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui.

 

[David Gould]

Dave, the acronym 'dna' does not appear in the link in the op but how do you think the autopsies were performed to create the autopsy list?

We know how. They DNA tested them, and then matched those with family members, and then by a process of elimination worked out who the hijackers were.

You claim that no Arab DNA was found. Your link does not claim that. It seems to me that you are making stuff up. But then it seems to me as if every conspiracy site makes stuff up, too - including that one.

Also, look at the manifest from aa.

Done that. What's the problem?

 

[oldbetang]

Google: cheney stated on meet the press he was in peoc when pentagon got hit: 1st link should be whitehouse.gov-now who wants to claim this evidence isn't good enough?

But when I arrived there within a short order, we had word the Pentagon's been hit. We had word the State Department had been bombed, that a car bomb had gone off at the State Department. Turned out not to be true, but we didn't know that at the time. We had a report that Norm had provided that there were six airplanes that might have been hijacked, and that's what we started working off of, was that list of six.​

Now we could account for two of them in New York. The third one we didn't know what had happened to it. It turned out it had hit the Pentagon. But the first reports on the Pentagon attack suggested a helicopter, and then later, a private jet, and it was only after we got ahold of some eyewitnesses that we knew it was an American Airlines flight. So then we had three planes accounted for, but we still have had three outstanding​

Cheney is saying that he heard of the Pentagon attack once he got to the Bunker. That suggests that the attack occurred before Cheney reached the Bunker ;probably while he was in the tunnel. That would match up with what the 9/11 Commission concluded on that matter, except that they also determined that Cheney did not just rush through the tunnel but was held there by the Secret Service for some time before being allowed to proceed to the actual bunker.

 

[David Gould]

So that's it? Another investigation done in secret & you have made the judgement call that the investigation was done correctly.

Then you wonder why people don't buy what you're selling.

Yes. He cannot quote the names of these people, were they work or how they got the information they needed to have. He cannot even quote the results of their tests. And you can bet that their testing was not peer reviewed.

 

[David Gould]

I would also ask this question: precisely what is the defence saying about what happened to the missing aeroplane if it didn't strike the Pentagon?

We have a missing plane. We have wreckage, body parts and the black box from that plane at the Pentagon. Logic dictates that the best explanation for thse two sets of facts is ... the plane hit the Pentagon.

The best way of dealing with these conspiracy theories is, to be terribly and brutally frank, mocking laughter.

And I know that you are going to say, 'But I have not made any claim as to what happened!' Sorry, that won't cut it. If you claim that the aeroplane did not hit the building - and if you are not claiming that, then the prosecution wins the case - then you are claiming a number of things. To whit:

1.) That something else did;
2.) That the bodies, wreckage and black box got their by other means;
3.) That the people from the plane were killed elsewhere, either deliberately or accidentally;
4.) That many individuals working for the government are lying, for unspecified reasons.

I mean, come on! That is a joke. I am prepared to be serious on this issue only because I am absolutely horrified that people who claim to be critically examining the government story can believe the conspiracy web sites without doing any analysis of them at all. In a few minutes I can find horrible, horrible flaws in their claims.

Sigh. I don't know. I am so depressed over this. If I sit and think about it too much, It devastates me, to be honest.