What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

[pshun2404]

I. Christ did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it...

Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets...the covenant of the law (the contractual agreement between God and His people) has been fulfilled.

Imagine for a moment, if after years and years of struggling to fulfill the terms of your mortgage contract, you finally fulfill your commitment, the terms have been met and the price is fully paid...why would any continue to struggle to continue to try and make the payments and be bound any longer by the terms of the agreement? Such is is with the New Creation in Christ...the law and the prophets have been fulfilled. It is finished!

He fulfilled the terms and specifics of covenant (contractual agreement with all its responsibilities and requirements) of the law and the prophets and we who are born from above are IN HIM...therefore, in Him we have a fulfilled obligation and we are no longer "legally" (as in the Law) bound by the terms of this contract. We have been set free from the responsibilities it imposes.

II. Grace and the Commandment keeping

2 Corinthians 3 - 3 Forasmuch as you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone (like the 10 Commandments), but in fleshy tables of the heart (by the indwelling Spirit of God). 4 And such is the trust have we through Christ toward God: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything of ourselves (like as if we keep the commandments and others do not); but our sufficiency is of God (because it is not by what we do or have done, but of Christ); 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills (brings death), but the spirit gives life (His life in us the expectation of glory).

7 But if the ministration of death (the sin consciousness brought on by the Law), written and engraved in stones (that is the 10 Commandments), was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance; which glory eventually faded (because by the commandments they were all guilty): 8 How shall the ministration of the Spirit not be even more glorious (who while we were yet sinners Christ dies for the ungodly…by love and grace)?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory (that righteousness which is by faith and not works).

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excels (for it never ends). 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more is that which remains glorious.

In the Exodus Pentecost (Shavuot), 50 days after the deliverance of Israel, the Lord gave the letter of the Law engraved in stone. It was at Mount Sinai in Arabia (called also Horeb), the mount of God in the land of Jethro of Midian…as Moses came down declaring the Commandments the people fled and 3,000 died

(You shall, you shall, you shall not, you shall not…it is all about “Thou” and the eye turns on self)

In the Acts Pentecost, 50 days after deliverance of whosoever will that would come, the Lord gave the Spirit, and wrote all we need in our hearts. It was on Mt. Zion, in Jerusalem the city made Holy by God. Jesus went UP giving the Spirit and 3,000 were saved.

(And they went about preaching the wonderful works of God…they glorified Christ, led them to salvation…it’s all about God and the eye turns to Christ…what He said and what He did and His gracious offer of love – 2:37-39)

Through the Law comes the knowledge of sin…though grace the love of God to-usward…the ministry of death was engraved on stone and the ministry of righteousness engraved on our hearts by the knowledge of salvation.

Romans 7: 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Alive apart from the law…dead by the law! Alive through Christ’s sufficient and pleasing sacrifice.

Colossians 2 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all your trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us (the Law), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

So He not only nailed our sins to the cross but also the ordinances against us so they no longer have any effect…by grace we are SAVED.

III. What parents (God) if their child asks for bread (grace in Christ, the bread of heaven) would give them a stone (a list of do’s and don’ts that they will surely fall short of)? Which one will minister life to them? You do the math...

Selah…

Paul

 

[Sophrosyne]

I'd say that is a rejection of Christianity.

Have you noticed the change in the title of General Theology.

We will be bye, bye to these people very soon.

I think the change was because people that were using the wrong icons (non orthodox icons were posting in the theology sections and starting threads that they had to keep dealing with as they didn't read the rules carefully. I don't see this SDA type problem going away any time soon (law promotion).

 

[VictorC]

Correct me where I am interpreting you incorrectly. But this is what I am understand from you.

1. There was no Ten commandments before Sinai, but adultery etc. was still a sin.
2. The Ten commandments has no bearing on Christians now but it is Holy.

If I am correct, that would mean that a just good and holy law is not for me.
I also believe that, as a christian, you would tell me I should serve God only. So my question is why is the holy just and good law not valid when I am suppose to do the same thing that the law says?

Maybe my rhetorical question should be one for you to answer.
Finding it would cause you to read my post for what it actually says, after all.

 

[from scratch]

I think the change was because people that were using the wrong icons (non orthodox icons were posting in the theology sections and starting threads that they had to keep dealing with as they didn't read the rules carefully. I don't see this SDA type problem going away any time soon (law promotion).

They can no longer attack real (or orthodox) Christianity as they have been doing.

 

[Sophrosyne]

They can no longer attack real (or orthodox) Christianity as they have been doing.

As long as the SDA group (adventists) has a forum in the congregational area their doctrine won't be considered by the staff here as unorthodox I figure.

 

[Elder 111]

In response to your first statement - correct as 1 John 5:17 points out.

In response to your second statement - correct (for the Christian) according to the long list of passages already referenced and quoted to you.

I john 5:17 does not say that!
If I had done that you would tell I am reading into the text what it does not say. Why is it not the same for you?

 

[Elder 111]

Can someone explain to me how it is that as Christians we all believe that we should live holy lives and serve God with all our hearts. Yet the Ten commandments that embodies holy living with the very first one saying we should worship God only is regarded as not binding on Christians? Can anyone explain that? I just can't get that compute can you?
The command that says worship only God is not binding on me but I must worship God alone with all my being.
Does it make sense to you?

 

[Rev Randy]

Can someone explain to me how it is that as Christians we all believe that we should live holy lives and serve God with all our hearts. Yet the Ten commandments that embodies holy living with the very first one saying we should worship God only is regarded as not binding on Christians? Can anyone explain that? I just can't get that compute can you?
The command that says worship only God is not binding on me but I must worship God alone with all my being.
Does it make sense to you?

The Law is a teacher not a hangman's noose(binding). The sting of death has been removed for the Christian. Should we ignore them? No. Should we hold them up against our own way of life? Yes. Should we get extremely legalistic about it? That has been tried and already failed. The Law is not our salvation but rather a teacher to show us our need for salvation as it cannot be found in the law.

 

[from scratch]

The Law is a teacher not a hangman's noose(binding). The sting of death has been removed for the Christian. Should we ignore them? No. Should we hold them up against our own way of life? Yes. Should we get extremely legalistic about it? That has been tried and already failed. The Law is not our salvation but rather a teacher to show us our need for salvation as it cannot be found in the law.

Agree to a degree. We are also redeemed from sin. If we follow the leading of the Holy Spirit we've no need of the law. One will be a Christian if they follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit neither leads us to the law nor to sin.

 

[Cribstyl]

Can someone explain to me how it is that as Christians we all believe that we should live holy lives and serve God with all our hearts. Yet the Ten commandments that embodies holy living with the very first one saying we should worship God only is regarded as not binding on Christians? Can anyone explain that? I just can't get that compute can you?
The command that says worship only God is not binding on me but I must worship God alone with all my being.
Does it make sense to you?

Are you asking the right questions about how God wants us to live or are your questions tailored to look at the glory of the law?
The scriptures explains clearly that Christians are to live by faith. The scriptures explains that seeking righteousness by the law is a big mistake........
Rom 9:30
¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 9:31
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

 

[Cribstyl]

This may be a supprise to some people......By reading the book of Romans we can find almost all the doctrines of Christianity. One key opening statement by Paul is;......
Rom 1:16
¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

After saying that above Paul explains the bible from Genesis 1.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

As long as the SDA group (adventists) has a forum in the congregational area their doctrine won't be considered by the staff here as unorthodox I figure.

That will be something to watch for then. Still, what has happened is a step in the correct direction.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[from scratch]

Can someone explain to me how it is that as Christians we all believe that we should live holy lives and serve God with all our hearts. Yet the Ten commandments that embodies holy living with the very first one saying we should worship God only is regarded as not binding on Christians? Can anyone explain that? I just can't get that compute can you?
The command that says worship only God is not binding on me but I must worship God alone with all my being.
Does it make sense to you?

Right after you prove the New Covenant isn't current or is the same one as the old one with a few modifications. That simply isn't what the prophets said.

 

[from scratch]

Are you asking the right questions about how God wants us to live or are your questions tailored to look at the glory of the law?
The scriptures explains clearly that Christians are to live by faith. The scriptures explains that seeking righteousness by the law is a big mistake........
Rom 9:30
¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 9:31
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

The Christian Law, aka The law of Liberty.

1. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

2. "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

James 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[from scratch]

The Christian Law, aka The law of Liberty.

1. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

2. "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."



God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[squint]

Right after you prove the New Covenant isn't current or is the same one as the old one with a few modifications. That simply isn't what the prophets said.

They are in conflict on Divine Purpose, law and grace.

The essence of that conflict resides in Gods Resistance to evil and alliance to good.

Our difficulties as believers comes when we try to move our evil under grace or our love from God under Law.

No persons evil is under grace nor is it legal, even temporarily.

The sense of detest most grace alone adherents have for legalisms is their obviously lying claims that they are legal. And the legalistic detests denying Gods Words and those who claim their lawlessness is under grace.

These petty conflicts are easily resolved in anyone who is honest about the facts of their sin and it's source, the devil, who will never be legal or under grace.

Every believer seeks to divide themselves from evil if God is in them and more importantly,

...they will not lie.

at the point of honesty the issue is instantly resolved for each of us.

It's not an issue for the law or grace to be against lawlessness, which everyone has regardless of their religious GARB. Neither can or will God be for any persons lawlessness.

In this way God is the enemy of all of us regardless. God was not not not the ally of the evil present with Paul or the ally of the messenger of Satan put upon his flesh.

Nevertheless God used those workings to bring forth the PLEASING FRUIT OF HONESTY in Paul, just as He seeks to bring forth in each of us.

There is factual living freedom in honesty.

s

 

[Elder 111]

The Law is a teacher not a hangman's noose(binding).

After the law has taught me, Should I discard what I have learnt?
After it has told me that I should not have an idol I should then forget about it? Or should I remember not to have an idol?

The sting of death has been removed for the Christian.

Why? Because Christ has died for us! If the law is removed there is no need for the death of Christ, for the reason for death would be no more. That is basic absolute common sense. It is because of the law that we need Christ's blood to cover or sins.

Should we ignore them? No. Should we hold them up against our own way of life? Yes. Should we get extremely legalistic about it? That has been tried and already failed. The Law is not our salvation but rather a teacher to show us our need for salvation as it cannot be found in the law.

No one ever said that is is our salvation! Show who said that! If I say you should not be a thief, that means I am putting the law as a means of salvation?
When Paul made this statement was he putting the law as a means of salvation? Ephesians 4:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

 

[Cribstyl]

This may be a supprise to some people......By reading the book of Romans we can find almost all the doctrines of Christianity. One key opening statement by Paul is;......
Rom 1:16
¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

After making this quote above Paul goes on to explains the bible from Genesis 1.

In chapter 1 Paul explains the steps man took to change from the image of God. Paul's narrative of mans fall from God's image is reflective of what God explained about man before He sent the flood (no mention of a broken law because it was not given as yet). Those two narratives are exclussively about the fall of man from the image of God, and not about a people to whom He gave the law.

 

[Sophrosyne]

That will be something to watch for then. Still, what has happened is a step in the correct direction.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

I think the change is probably more due to constant complaints of those posting unorthodox stuff using unorthodox icons in GT myself. I see the same people creating new socks and posting over and over the same stuff.