What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

[Sophrosyne]

So, are you basically saying that God, the Father "is" "storing up wrath" and that basically we've all "got it coming" someday, (with maybe the exception of full-on, true believers in Christ, who might be able to be declared "exempt" from it, "escape" it)

God's wrath is still there when it comes to sin, but Jesus took all our sins unto him on the cross. Those who reject Jesus will feel his wrath in the next life. There will come a time when Jesus comes back and sets up his reign on Earth at that time those who pit themselves against God will feel his wrath.

 

[Rev Randy]

So, are you basically saying that God, the Father "is" "storing up wrath" and that basically we've all "got it coming" someday, (with maybe the exception of full-on, true believers in Christ, who might be able to be declared "exempt" from it, "escape" it)

I'd say Christ took the beating for the world.

 

[Neogaia777]

I'd say Christ took the beating for the world.

For the "entire" world even those who hate him or would curse his name or deny him completely, even those with an unrepentant heart who feel like they don't have to apollogize or have a repentant heart/attitude for anything, and refuse to even "try" to improve upon themselves or change their behavior? Are you saying that Christ took the punishment for even say radical Muslim terrorists? Or rapists, or child molesters, or sadistic mass murderer serial killers?

What about the example of the attitudes of two theifs that were cruxified along with Jesus, he (Jesus) only told "one" of them that he would be with him in paradise?

 

[squint]

I'd say Christ took the beating for the world.

Again, a brilliant conclusion...

 

[Rev Randy]

For the "entire" world even those who hate him or would curse his name or deny him completely, even those with an unrepentant heart who feel like they don't have to apollogize or have a repentant heart/attitude for anything, and refuse to even "try" to improve upon themselves or change their behavior? Are you saying that Christ took the punishment for even say radical Muslim terrorists? Or rapists, or child molesters, or sadistic mass murderer serial killers?

What about the example of the attitudes of two theifs that were cruxified along with Jesus, he (Jesus) only told "one" of them that he would be with him in paradise?

Yes, that is what I said: I'd say Christ took the beating for the world.

 

[Rev Randy]

Again, a brilliant conclusion...

I have rare moments when I'm actually a tad lucid. None when I'm brilliant.

 

[squint]

I have rare moments when I'm actually a tad lucid. None when I'm brilliant.

I admit to putting on rosy [future tense] glasses when I see people of Truth.

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes, that is what I said: I'd say Christ took the beating for the world.

Your right about one thing, He (Jesus Christ) did take the/a beating for the whole world, but its like a gift that needs to be "accepted"...

Now, I believe a person can be forgiven and absolved of almost "any" crime or wrongdoing, any "sin", but those who are unrepentant (not ever "sorry" for anything) (their entire lives, even unto death) never accept his (Jesus) gift... "Never" "accept Christ, "never" admit that they needed someone to pay a price and "take the beating" for their past (& maybe present) "wrongs"

Those who don't "need" Christ, never "get" Christ, and have no (expert) "defense attorney", no "advocate", for lack of a better word/term, in the coming judgment (Of God) This was why John came as the forerunner laying the groundwork, saying repent!... And Jesus also placed great emphasis on repentance, or at least a repentant attitude/heart...

I believe people who don't feel like they don't need to be absolved of anything ever, ever truly accept Christ, and are therefore on the wrong side of the line that has to be drawn in the sand... No, I'm afraid I can't agree with you, totally unrepentant ones can never be saved, cause they have no need of a savior (in their minds) I pray for them, that they would develop a repentant heart and acknowledge that they need a savior, someone to pay the price for them and accept Jesus Christ's covering and free-gift of "forgiveness" and absolution of their sins, but the "gift" has to "accepted" but some just "won't" and will be standing on the wrong side of the line in the coming judgment or before their death... sad...

And... this would include those who (believe) they have "kept themselves" relatively "clean" and believe they are relatively "righteous" in and of themselves, (they have no need for Christ either) even though they may "seem" like relatively "good" people, but God says their is "none" righteous, and none "good", no not even one, and Jesus Christ himself wasn't even willing to be acknowledged as being "Good" as he said there is only one who is "good", God, (the Father), and those trusting in their own righteousness and acknowledging "no need" for Christ are actually in "competition" with. and are therefore "enemies" of God...

So... I pray... for all... that they would develop a repentant heart/attitude and acknowledge that they "need" Christ and his "free gift" but/and that has to be "received".

 

[from scratch]

He doesn't believe this..... just throws it out like he throws Paul's word to the wind when they don't agree with him.

There's not much left of his Bible.

 

[GenemZ]

So by saying not to covet, He's saying, 'Don't even THINK about stealing."

Hello Rick..

The Law is spiritual, yes. Yet, it was not for the spiritual.

Romans 7:14

We know that the law is spiritual; but
I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.
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Those who are spiritual are not to be under the Law. They do not need the law if the Holy Spirit is controlling them.

Galatians 5:18

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Do not covet is not for the spiritual. Its for those who are being unspiritual.
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[SwordFall]

God's wrath is still there when it comes to sin, but Jesus took all our sins unto him on the cross. Those who reject Jesus will feel his wrath in the next life. There will come a time when Jesus comes back and sets up his reign on Earth at that time those who pit themselves against God will feel his wrath.

Would literally be Jews and militant atheists.

But you probably defend Jews, hate Muslims, and morally live by atheists.

Very, very ironic. You may even qualify for the antichrist

 

[GenemZ]

Custom does not equal command... customs are TRADITIONS and you yourself have said you don't go for traditions. Jesus was sent to the Jews why would he not take advantage of their customs (made by themselves) to try and convince them of things. Do you go to a Jewish synagog on Saturday? NO you don't... so you are not doing as Jesus did.

When I was younger I went every Saturday with my dad to synagogue... to hear the Torah read... The rest of Jewish community that could, did so.

It was later on that I became a Christian. I think you make snap judgements a bit too much.

 

[Elder 111]

So by saying not to covet, He's saying, 'Don't even THINK about stealing."

Absolutely!

 

[Elder 111]

I know well what custom means. Do you realize that those of Israel worshiped in the Temple and not in a synagogue? That is a school for learning not worship.

Do you know that there was on temple and many Synagogues?

 

[Elder 111]

Wonderful! Are you carnal as the inspired author proclaims he is in the present tense? Doesn't this personal contrast to the Holiness of the Law explain why we have been delivered from it, as verse 6 in the immediate context announces?
Yes.
Ellen's 'sabbath test' is a myth.

No! Why should I be deliver from Holiness? Is that not what I am suppose to be by the grace of God?

 

[Elder 111]

Adventism demands leaving out the qualification that excludes the Mosaic covenant from God's "My law" He has placed into our hearts. It also leaves out the conclusion the inspired author of Hebrews 8:13 makes when he wrote In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Moving a broken covenant to another location doesn't make it 'new', any more than moving a broken chair from one corner to another effects repairs on the broken chair. The old chair is obsolete, ready to be disposed of.

The Chair is not broken. It is the table that the chair was at that is broken. It a new table in the corner.

 

[Elder 111]

Jesus walked on water and spoke to the wind and it obeyed Him. Can or do you either of those things? Who is it you speak to and they are healed or delivered from demons? Best get to cracking.

God have no need for the water or the wind part, except for keeping the hurricanes from these shores. But He has done the demon rebuke part for me a few years ago. If needed the water walking will happen.

 

[Elder 111]

Custom does not equal command... customs are TRADITIONS and you yourself have said you don't go for traditions. Jesus was sent to the Jews why would he not take advantage of their customs (made by themselves) to try and convince them of things. Do you go to a Jewish synagog on Saturday? NO you don't... so you are not doing as Jesus did.

Jesus was sent to the world and for the world. He was our example and set the example for us, including the Sabbath. Jesus did not do things simply because He was a Jew our was living with them.

 

[Elder 111]

That is why you see Paul talking about how the Law INCREASED sin, as by telling someone what sin was it tempted people to do it. We can see that telling a child not to do something makes it more likely they will do it. I think God knew this all along and knew the only way to combat that type of thinking is to make punishment for breaking the Law very harsh... death.

:o
What is this? Telling that I should not steal makes me want to steal? Telling to worship God only makes we want to worship idols?

Anything works in order to down play and negates God Hold law.

 

[Rev Randy]

:o
What is this? Telling that I should not steal makes me want to steal? Telling to worship God only makes we want to worship idols?

Anything works in order to down play and negates God Hold law.

You have a point there. But I think you're missing a point.
With the immediate punishment gone, it does tend to work that way. Does that make our sinfulness proper? No, it simply shows our rebelliousness.
Now on the Sabbath issue: Does God examine the intent of our heart or demand we hold to the letter of the Law?