What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[VictorC]

Ii am not accepting your view. i dont accept biblical view.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Elder 111]

Those who do not do the Sabbath (as you define same) are sinning.

At what point do you cease being a sinner and are thusly supposedly sinless?

Simple question.

s

Simple answer. Never.
My question now. Because I will never be sinless does that mean I can ignore God's commandments?

 

[squint]

Simple answer. Never.

Thanks. That was the correct answer. Obviously doing the Sabbath or not doing the Sabbath as you define it does not change the status of being a sinner.

So what is the point of condemning other believing sinners over your measures which obviously didn't buy you a pass out of the obvious.

My question now. Because I will never be sinless does that mean I can ignore God's commandments?

The observation doesn't change. Our factual status under the law determined as being a sinner is not moved by obedience to the law

 

[Elder 111]

Thanks. That was the correct answer. Obviously doing the Sabbath or not doing the Sabbath as you define it does not change the status of being a sinner.

So what is the point of condemning other believing sinners over your measures which obviously didn't buy you a pass out of the obvious.
The observation doesn't change. Our factual status under the law determined as being a sinner is not moved by obedience to the law

You did not answer the question! want to try again?

 

[squint]

You did not answer the question! want to try again?

You failed to make a distinction between yourself as a sinning Sabbath keeper and a sinning non-Sabbath keeper.

There would appear to be no difference or change in status by being a legally obedient sinner.

 

[Elder 111]

Bro. Squint,
Since I can never be sinless. Should i stop worshiping God?
Start telling lies? Maybe get a sister or two from the church in bed? How about stealing the offering? There maybe one or two person I could get rid of? Mother and father is a burden, maybe I should just forget about them? Would this be Christian? Oh by the way that is of the Ten Commandments, tell would it be OK if I as a Christian live like that? A straight answer please!

 

[squint]

Bro. Squint,
Since I can never be sinless. Should i stop worshiping God?

Never. It's not people that follow the law. It's those who lie under the law that rub me. Paul both followed and didn't because he teaches us that our factual status as sinners is not changed by law keeping, which is the point.

I happen to LOVE Gods Law(s) even though I may not personally care for the conclusion of being a sinner. I do love the fruit of honesty that it brings when held up properly. In this way there is a reward of honesty that is taken by the truthful observers.

Trying to dodge the truthful conclusion is not profitable and it is even less so when adherents claim that other believing sinners are going to be eternally annihilated for the very same sin that the legally obedient sinners also have. In this they merely show a double standard and the death they heap upon other sinner/believers. And in this way the LAW has reflected the death intentions to others that is factually in their own hearts.

Start telling lies?

I think the biggest lie there is is to say we are not sinners under any measure, law or grace.

Neither law or grace authorizes sin and none of us escape the factual conclusion of being sinners, particularly so when being dishonest about that fact. IN this way the LAW and GRACE does in fact reveal both liars and hypocrites who employ double standards. One 'excusing their sins' by law keeping, claiming death to other believers for their sins. That is the classic double standard of hypocrisy.

We all are measured DEATH under the law for being sinners.

The identical conclusion can be arrived at under Grace because Grace is just as much against sin as LAW.

These are measures of honestly above all else.

We should all be honest about being sinners under law or grace and we'd have no grounds to condemn each others for our mutual positions of being factual sinners.

Maybe get a sister or two from the church in bed?

Oh that you would get off so easily in matters of sin. Jesus advises us clearly that evil thoughts are evil and that they defile us. Now go be honest and tell me those are not only demonic actions if done, but demonic thoughts that start them?

From there it's only a matter of degree of captivity. The progression of captivity is an extension from thought, to word and when culminated into full blown external slaveship, to deed.

How about stealing the offering? There maybe one or two person I could get rid of? Mother and father is a burden, maybe I should just forget about them? Would this be Christian? Oh by the way that is of the Ten Commandments, tell would it be OK if I as a Christian live like that? A straight answer please!

Already given. The law is a trigger alert system to make us aware of the intrusion of the TEMPTER.

The Law does not merely deal with us as individuals.

No tempter in the mind of man will ever be legal. That is why it is futile to try to justify that factual working on any measure of law or of grace.

If you understand this principle you'd stop being the conductor on the death train for other believers who are truthful about matters of sin being matters of the DEMONIC.

s

 

[Elder 111]

Never. It's not people that follow the law. It's those who lie under the law that rub me. Paul both followed and didn't because he teaches us that our factual status as sinners is not changed by law keeping, which is the point.

I happen to LOVE Gods Law(s) even though I may not personally care for the conclusion of being a sinner. I do love the fruit of honesty that it brings when held up properly. In this way there is a reward of honesty that is taken by the truthful observers.

Trying to dodge the truthful conclusion is not profitable and it is even less so when adherents claim that other believing sinners are going to be eternally annihilated for the very same sin that the legally obedient sinners also have. In this they merely show a double standard and the death they heap upon other sinner/believers. And in this way the LAW has reflected the death intentions to others that is factually in their own hearts.

I think the biggest lie there is is to say we are not sinners under any measure, law or grace.

Neither law or grace authorizes sin and none of us escape the factual conclusion of being sinners, particularly so when being dishonest about that fact. IN this way the LAW and GRACE does in fact reveal both liars and hypocrites who employ double standards. One 'excusing their sins' by law keeping, claiming death to other believers for their sins. That is the classic double standard of hypocrisy.

We all are measured DEATH under the law for being sinners.

The identical conclusion can be arrived at under Grace because Grace is just as much against sin as LAW.

These are measures of honestly above all else.

We should all be honest about being sinners under law or grace and we'd have no grounds to condemn each others for our mutual positions of being factual sinners.

Oh that you would get off so easily in matters of sin. Jesus advises us clearly that evil thoughts are evil and that they defile us. Now go be honest and tell me those are not only demonic actions if done, but demonic thoughts that start them?

From there it's only a matter of degree of captivity. The progression of captivity is an extension from thought, to word and when culminated into full blown external slaveship, to deed.

Already given. The law is a trigger alert system to make us aware of the intrusion of the TEMPTER.

The Law does not merely deal with us as individuals.

No tempter in the mind of man will ever be legal. That is why it is futile to try to justify that factual working on any measure of law or of grace.

If you understand this principle you'd stop being the conductor on the death train for other believers who are truthful about matters of sin being matters of the DEMONIC.

s

Let me try to put things in perpective as I know and as I accept as a christian and as a Seventh Day Adventist.
We are all under/save by grace.
We should all keep the Ten Commandments.
Doing, whether in law or deeds does not earn salvation nor place us in favor with God, but if the Holy Spirit is in us we will do both.
There is no Christian I know who will not support the observance of 9 of the Ten Commandments. It is Just the Sabbath that is the problem. God gave them as a unit and I believe that there is no separating them, that is what James meant when stated that if you offended in one your are guilty of all. Look carefully and see that James quoted from the Ten commandments.
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

 

[squint]

Let me try to put things in perpective as I know and as I accept as a christian and as a Seventh Day Adventist.
We are all under/save by grace.
We should all keep the Ten Commandments.
Doing, whether in law or deeds does not earn salvation nor place us in favor with God, but if the Holy Spirit is in us we will do both.
There is no Christian I know who will not support the observance of 9 of the Ten Commandments. It is Just the Sabbath that is the problem.

As you have prior noted the fact of being a sinner is not changed or altered in any case of obedience. Condemnation of other sinning believers only multiplies the hypocrisy of the adherents from claiming their sin better to outright death to other believing sinners. In this way such adherents mangle the law nearly completely, evidenced by their equally obvious double standards.

God gave them as a unit and I believe that there is no separating them, that is what James meant when stated that if you offended in one your are guilty of all. Look carefully and see that James quoted from the Ten commandments.
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

No tempter in the mind of any christian is justifiable under law or grace.

Therein are all properly divided from our mutual adversary.

s

 

[GenemZ]

Same as everyone else's genez.

You accuse...then respond with non-answers when asked for details. Which means? You like to get on the case of others, even when you really do not know what you are talking about.

But.. you should not feel too bad that you do. For you see.. You are truly a sinner. Unfortunately, one who is very busy denying Christ while he is living by the desires of his flesh. A flesh that loves to denigrate others as a means to build himself up.

As far as myself? You create false arguments.. Then you attack for something I do not believe, nor said. Then, demand that I do not deny what you accuse me of... Or, you like to pick on the weakness of a denominationalist in his thinking, and keep hounding him in a denigrating way... Why? To make you feel good about your superior thinking. Why? You're a sinner. That's why.

 

[squint]

You accuse...then respond with non-answers when asked for details. Which means? You like to get on the case of others, even when you really do not know what you are talking about.

I don't think we're on the same page genez.

But.. you should not feel too bad that you do. For you see.. You are truly a sinner.

I've never claimed otherwise. How 'bout you?

Unfortunately, one who is very busy denying Christ while he is living by the desires of his flesh. A flesh that loves to denigrate others as a means to build himself up.

As far as myself? You create false arguments.. Then you attack for something I do not believe, nor said. Then, demand that I do not deny what you accuse me of... Or, you like to pick on the weakness of a denominationalist in his thinking, and keep hounding him in a denigrating way... Why? To make you feel good about your superior thinking. Why? You're a sinner. That's why.

I've taken the opportunity to bold your accusations.

I'd request you examine both source and validity of such statements for truth and accuracy.

If you don't understand, I get it.

s

 

[GenemZ]

I don't think we're on the same page genez.

I've never claimed otherwise. How 'bout you?

I've taken the opportunity to bold your accusations.

I'd request you examine both source and validity of such statements for truth and accuracy.

If you don't understand, I get it.

s

Let others here be the judge of what I said about you.

You can not help yourself. For your being "of the devil." I know you do not like hearing that. But, I also know you like telling others that.

So, after all your work? You only built a case against yourself. Others here may feel free to agree,or disagree with my assessment of you. Pity you can not see yourself, but can project onto others what you deny about yourself.

 

[squint]

Let others here be the judge of what I said about you.

I've condemned none of them. What's yer beef?

You can not help yourself. For your being "of the devil." I know you do not like hearing that. But, I also know you like telling others that.

Sin is of the devil. If you see just man in that equation what can I say to that?

Obviously that is not the case.

The Law stands firm against the devil and his messengers. Does that offend you? You should be quite happy it is so written.

s

 

[GenemZ]

I've condemned none of them. What's yer beef?



Sin is of the devil. If you see just man in that equation what can I say to that?

Obviously that is not the case.

The Law stands firm against the devil and his messengers. Does that offend you? You should be quite happy it is so written.

s

Lying is of the Devil. Distorting the truth is of the Devil. Do the math. Fortunately, your kind will never multiply.

 

[squint]

Lying is of the Devil. Distorting the truth is of the Devil. Do the math. Fortunately, your kind will never multiply.

What kind might that be genez? You mean loving other believers as myself is against your beliefs? And rather look to the devil at the base of SIN than them?

Watch out for the flood of mercy when it lets loose.

s

 

[GenemZ]

What kind might that be genez? You mean loving other believers as myself is against your beliefs? And rather look to the devil at the base of SIN than them?

Watch out for the flood of mercy when it lets loose.

s

Do the math. You're all alone.

 

[squint]

Do the math. You're all alone.

Malicious comments are worthless genez

 

[GenemZ]

Malicious comments are worthless genez

Do the math and stop trying to divide us...

 

[squint]

Do the math and stop trying to divide us...

Who exactly is 'us' genez? Yer kinda a funny guy.

 

[GenemZ]

Who exactly is 'us' genez? Yer kinda a funny guy.

The devil has no sense of humor.