What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[squint]

There is another open statement by the Squint that goes nowhere in a hurry. You leave too much up to the imagination... not the facts.

Regarding the subject of Law genez, it's a well established fact that believers are still sinners, are proven so by the LAW and that sin is of the devil.

You are welcome to rewrite the equation to eliminate that fact.

So entertain me.

 

[VictorC]

If my illiteracy is in the way please show me, or maybe some one else can help. Did you or did you not seek to ignore the mention of Jesus, (or had to) in making your substantive point above (the red will help)?

Here's what I posted in reply:

Mormons mention Jesus.
Jehovah's Witnesses mention Jesus.
Several new-age cults mention Jesus.
But like the seventh-day Adventists, they have no use for Jesus having rejected His redemption. And it is not only your source documents that condemn Adventism, but your posts that align with them as well.

You see, non-Christians are adept at mentioning Jesus, but none of these groups are Christian. Your posts illustrate the core tenets of Judaism in denial of Christ's redemption. While mentioning Jesus, you have shown that you aren't aware of what He did at the cross.

Hebrews 9
13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Jesus is the Mediator of the new covenant in the present tense.
Not the old covenant that you keep bringing to the forum.
Jesus Mediates Christianity.
Not Judaism, as Adventism's membership purport they still transgress with no solution.

 

[VictorC]

Sabbath should be a day of rest and worship as God requires not as SDA's say.

Seems a good time to ask for Biblical support showing when and where God ever asked/commanded the Gentiles in Barbados to keep the sabbath.
Asking this in the past never produced a response, so I acknowledge that asking it is a waste of time and effort. You expect Christians to abandon God's rest and revert to the sabbath, which amounts to asking us to turn away from Jesus Christ.

The Law itself specifies the sabbath was exclusive to the children of Israel (Exodus 31:13). Your claim is contrary to the Law. You speak from darkness.
Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[squint]

Sabbath should be a day of rest and worship as God requires not as SDA's say.

That was not the question.

The question WAS is it a SIN in SDA land to NOT do Saturday (rest and worship using your dissection of the matter of Sabbath) for believers?

Shuffling the deck or your feet isn't going to change the question.

s

 

[GenemZ]

Regarding the subject of Law genez, it's a well established fact that believers are still sinners, are proven so by the LAW and that sin is of the devil.

You are welcome to rewrite the equation to eliminate that fact.

So entertain me.

What is the devil's function when you sin? You! What is the devil doing when you sin?

 

[squint]

What is the devil's function when you sin? You! What is the devil doing when you sin?

Same as everyone else's genez.

 

[Elder 111]

Here's what I posted in reply:



You see, non-Christians are adept at mentioning Jesus, but none of these groups are Christian. Your posts illustrate the core tenets of Judaism in denial of Christ's redemption. While mentioning Jesus, you have shown that you aren't aware of what He did at the cross.

Hebrews 9
13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Jesus is the Mediator of the new covenant in the present tense.
Not the old covenant that you keep bringing to the forum.
Jesus Mediates Christianity.
Not Judaism, as Adventism's membership purport they still transgress with no solution.

The problem is that you maintain that the new replaces the Ten Commandments. Scripture never said so. Jer. 31:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
NO where in this text it says that the law would be removed or changed. No where does it say that the problem was God's Holy sanctified law but it clearly states that it was the people who broke the covenant.
Hebrews 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Why was there a need for a new covenant? Finding fault with them/ they continued not in My covenant. God even compared it like a marriage, (Hosea among other passages). There is a covenant in a marriage, if one party commits adultery that covenant is broken. Does that mean the law relating to marriage is done with? That is your argument. God does not say the law is new/removed/changed.

The law moved from stone to flesh. From hardness, reluctance on our part to compliance. That is what the scripture says.

God says I will write my law not remove it.

 

[Elder 111]

Seems a good time to ask for Biblical support showing when and where God ever asked/commanded the Gentiles in Barbados to keep the sabbath.
Asking this in the past never produced a response, so I acknowledge that asking it is a waste of time and effort. You expect Christians to abandon God's rest and revert to the sabbath, which amounts to asking us to turn away from Jesus Christ.

The Law itself specifies the sabbath was exclusive to the children of Israel (Exodus 31:13). Your claim is contrary to the Law. You speak from darkness.
Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Excuse me!

 

[Elder 111]

That was not the question.

The question WAS is it a SIN in SDA land to NOT do Saturday (rest and worship using your dissection of the matter of Sabbath) for believers?

Shuffling the deck or your feet isn't going to change the question.

s

Leave of the SDA land.
IT is a sin period. It is a violation of God's Holy law.

 

[VictorC]

The problem is that you maintain that the new replaces the Ten Commandments. Scripture never said so.

We went through this exercise before. Don't you remember the example of the broken chair you argue became new by moving it? Look at just a portion of Jeremiah 31 you quoted:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt

The new covenant isn't according to the covenant from Mount Sinai.

NO where in this text it says that the law would be removed or changed.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The law moved from stone to flesh.

Hebrews 10:9
He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

You did all of this to insist that Jesus is the Mediator of the old covenant.
That is in direct conflict with Hebrews 9:15, which you have no answer to.

Jesus is the Mediator of the new covenant in the present tense.
Not the old covenant that you keep bringing to the forum.
Jesus Mediates Christianity.
Not Judaism, as Adventism's membership purport they still transgress with no solution.

 

[VictorC]

Excuse me!

Quit making excuses, and address your premise.

Sabbath should be a day of rest and worship as God requires not as SDA's say.

Seems a good time to ask for Biblical support showing when and where God ever asked/commanded the Gentiles in Barbados to keep the sabbath.
Asking this in the past never produced a response, so I acknowledge that asking it is a waste of time and effort. You expect Christians to abandon God's rest and revert to the sabbath, which amounts to asking us to turn away from Jesus Christ.

The Law itself specifies the sabbath was exclusive to the children of Israel (Exodus 31:13). Your claim is contrary to the Law. You speak from darkness.
Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[squint]

Leave of the SDA land.
IT is a sin period. It is a violation of God's Holy law.

At what point of obedience to that law or any did you cease to be a sinner?

 

[from scratch]

Being christian mean being like Christ/follower of Christ. How can we be like Christ if we do not keep the Commandments as He did?

Because that isn't what Jesus told us to do.

 

[from scratch]

Your claims would not even be in the ballpark with orthodox determinations about the law or Gods Words.

Their is no practice of orthodoxy of tossing aside the Words of Jesus Christ that I'm aware of.

What are you talking about?

 

[squint]

What are you talking about?

The perpetual claims from your camp to toss aside Gods Words, which should be a deplorable approach by any believer.

 

[from scratch]

Anyone here every looked at Revelation 12 seriously? Why is Satan angry with God's church? 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Clearly satan is against God's people because they keep His Ten Commandments. Where does that put those who negates them?

Yes and you think the commandments Christians are obligated are the famous Ten. My advice to you is to read the New Testament and believe it. I've already referenced and quote the passages you either don't understand or throw out negating them.

 

[Elder 111]

At what point of obedience to that law or any did you cease to be a sinner?

What is wrong with you? what does that have to do with being a sinner?

 

[Elder 111]

We went through this exercise before. Don't you remember the example of the broken chair you argue became new by moving it? Look at just a portion of Jeremiah 31 you quoted:

The new covenant isn't according to the covenant from Mount Sinai.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 10:9
He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

You did all of this to insist that Jesus is the Mediator of the old covenant.
That is in direct conflict with Hebrews 9:15, which you have no answer to.

Jesus is the Mediator of the new covenant in the present tense.
Not the old covenant that you keep bringing to the forum.
Jesus Mediates Christianity.
Not Judaism, as Adventism's membership purport they still transgress with no solution.

Ii am not accepting your view. accept biblical view.

 

[squint]

What is wrong with you? what does that have to do with being a sinner?

Those who do not do the Sabbath (as you define same) are sinning.

At what point do you cease being a sinner and are thusly supposedly sinless?

Simple question.

s

 

[Elder 111]

Yes and you think the commandments Christians are obligated are the famous Ten. My advice to you is to read the New Testament and believe it. I've already referenced and quote the passages you either don't understand or throw out negating them.

What you don't consider is that when the NT was written it referred to the OT.