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What Happens when Oil Runs Out?

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This video provides a very informative explanation about what would occur once our oil runs out and concerning the alternatives that might be employed in order to get mankind on its feet once more industrially. The question is if indeed algae is the solution as the video indicates, why not being the shift over to it now? Why wait for a disaster to strike?


Algae fuel
or algal biofuel is an alternative to liquid fossil fuels that uses algae as its source of energy-rich oils. Also, algae fuels are an alternative to common known biofuel sources, such as corn and sugarcane.[1][2] Several companies and government agencies are funding efforts to reduce capital and operating costs and make algae fuel production commercially viable.[3] Like fossil fuel, algae fuel releases CO2 when burnt, but unlike fossil fuel, algae fuel and other biofuels only release CO2 recently removed from the atmosphere via photosynthesis as the algae or plant grew. The energy crisis and the world food crisis have ignited interest in algaculture (farming algae) for making biodiesel and other biofuels using land unsuitable for agriculture. Among algal fuels' attractive characteristics are that they can be grown with minimal impact on fresh water resources
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Failing to plan is planning to fail!


The problem seems to be that the majority of mankind doesn't really appreciate the difference between renewable, such as sunlight, wind, hydraulic via water currents, ethanol which is a product of fermentation, and nonrenewable energy sources such as oil, and carbon.

Such ignorance seems to give them the impression that our present way of life which depends on the depletion of oil which is non-renewable is a permanent condition when it is indeed a temporary one soon to come to a sudden end with disastrous consequences unless we take precautionary action now.
 
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I'll be gone before it runs out. But let me ask a related question. In a battle, each side tries to wear down the other side, making their opponent use up their resources first. But when it comes to oil we, for some strange reason, think we should use up our own resources before we use the resources of the other guys. They are willing to sell it to us, so I say lets buy it and use theirs before we drain the barrel on our side.

But to your question, yes, we need to develop alternatives. The U.S. has a problem because we are so vast and depend on fossil fuels so much. Other countries may be able to convert more easily.

Another issue is that some people think that God (or the earth?) is replenishing the oil we use up so that it never runs out.

To me, some way of better harnessing solar energy is the way to go. Maybe Trump should build his 1000 mile wall with solar panels on top. Lots of sun along the Mexican border.
 
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I'll be gone before it runs out. But let me ask a related question. In a battle, each side tries to wear down the other side, making their opponent use up their resources first. But when it comes to oil we, for some strange reason, think we should use up our own resources before we use the resources of the other guys. They are willing to sell it to us, so I say lets buy it and use theirs before we drain the barrel on our side.

But to your question, yes, we need to develop alternatives. The U.S. has a problem because we are so vast and depend on fossil fuels so much. Other countries may be able to convert more easily.

Another issue is that some people think that God (or the earth?) is replenishing the oil we use up so that it never runs out.

To me, some way of better harnessing solar energy is the way to go. Maybe Trump should build his 1000 mile wall with solar panels on top. Lots of sun along the Mexican border.

Say! That solar panel idea is an excellent one. You should make sure to gets to Trump's attention. I'm sure that he will take it under serious consideration.

Time is running out! So a lackadaisical attitude isn't really an option:


BTW
I will probably be gone as well if the oil lasts us past 15 more years.
But considering the consequent scenarios that the videos describe as probably developing maybe that is best.
 
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About 12 years ago I was obsessed with this topic, and even formed some teams to go and brief some politicians here in Australia. It's not at all like the beginning of that documentary presents: just suddenly running out is a myth! Rather, it peaks and then - roughly speaking - goes into permanent decline.
Back in the 1950’s Hubbert predicted that American oil production would peak in 1970 and then begin a long journey of decline. How did he do it? He added up all the discovered oil, estimated the declining discovery trends against the increasing production trends, and then mapped it out. Peak light sweet crude occurred in America right on schedule: 1970. But now the debate is on about when world oil production will peak and head into permanent decline.
hubbert_upper-bound_peak_1956.png

But this debate is almost irrelevant, as from a climate point of view we should not even be burning all the remaining oil! (Let alone the coal and gas!) There is so much to say on this topic. World peak oil is a big subject, and predicting the date is difficult! World peak oil must also include all the tar-sands and shale oil and fracking liquids that can be brought to market to take the edge of the decline of light sweet crude. But the main point to understand is that the 'peak' just means the maximum. It means we've used all the cheap oil, and I think we're about there. The oil hereafter will gradually become more and more expensive, which you would think would just let market forces unfold normally with alternatives gradually kicking in.

Sadly, there are a few scenarios, basically geopolitical and military in nature, where because the decline of oil production is not uniform across all countries in the world, the nasty competitive geopolitics of selfish nations could throw us into crisis. EG: Some nations can go from being reliable oil exporters to suddenly being oil importers because their own economy grew with that oil exporting, and their people became wealthy, and started burning more of their own oil!
Sudden oil crisis

The threat is real, but just to highlight the climate risks again, I don't even think peak oil is the main challenge. The main challenge is we should not solve peak oil with dirtier substitutes because of climate change! We could do more and more tar-sands, more and more shale oil, more and more fracking and more and more coal-to-liquids. This would deplete all these resources even faster, but leave our grandchildren in a TERRIBLE climate crisis.

I’ll leave you with the conclusions of the Australian Senate special committee into peak oil (Feb 2007).

1. While the Senate somehow remained agnostic about a definitive date, we should be planning for it now.
3.137 The committee cannot take sides with any particular suggested date for peak oil. However in the committee’s view the possibility of a peak of conventional oil production before 2030 should be a matter of concern. Exactly when it occurs (which is very uncertain) is not the important point. In view of the enormous changes that will be needed to move to a less oil dependent future, Australia should be planning for it now.

3.138 Most of the official publications mentioned in this report seem to regard the ‘long term’ as extending to 2030, and are silent about the future after that. The committee regards this as inadequate. Longer term planning is needed. Even the prospect of peak oil in the period 2030-2050 – well within the lifespan of today’s children – should be a concern. Hirsch suggests that mitigation measures to reduce oil dependence ‘will require an intense effort over decades…’

This inescapable conclusion is based on the time required to replace vast numbers of liquid fuel consuming vehicles and the time required to build a substantial number of substitute fuel production facilities… Initiating a mitigation crash program 20 years before peaking appears to offer the possibility of avoiding a world liquid fuels shortfall for the forecast period.[114]

2. Markets will not prepare in time
Committee comment
4.64 The committee notes concerns that markets will not respond in time to provide a smooth transition to a post peak oil world without government action. Given the uncertainty about much of the information on world oil supplies and the geopolitical instability of some key oil bearing regions, it is possible that there may be a risk that markets will under invest in oil and energy technologies, resulting in economic and social hardship when supply of conventional oil falls below demand.

4.65 The information required to make a clear determination on whether peak oil will occur before the market can provide mitigating action is not available. The following chapters discuss possible mitigation actions. These offer options for a prudent approach to managing the possibility of peak oil and associated issues contributing to oil vulnerability, resulting in substantially higher oil prices and a constraint on liquid fuel availability.

3. There is no “silver bullet”
In an extensive study of all of the alternative liquid fuels, none appeared likely to replace oil in the foreseeable future. Some might replace niche markets for a while, such as LPG or coal-seam gas for heavy machinery and trucking, but there was no one silver bullet.

4. If peak oil is imminent, the effect on the world economy is going to be profound
4.4 A recent report for the US Department of Energy, the Hirsch report, considered the impact of three different scenarios on the world and American economies. One assumed that no mitigating action was initiated until peaking, the second assumed that action is initiated 10 years before peaking and scenario three assumed that action is initiated 20 years before peaking. The severity of the impact of peak oil on the world economies was different for each of the three scenarios.

4.5 The Hirsch report claims that only aggressive supply and demand side mitigation initiatives will allay the potential for peaking to result in dramatically higher oil prices, which will cause protracted economic hardship in the world. ASPO-Australia also claims that the economic and social impacts will be very serious unless we take the necessary precautions very soon. The potential seriousness of the problem is also accepted by some political leaders, the W.A. Minister for Planning and Infrastructure, the Hon. Alannah MacTiernan MLA commenting that:

It is also certain that the cost of preparing too early is nowhere near the cost of not being ready on time.[2]

5. We need energy efficient cities not energy efficient cars — and this is going to be difficult!
General comment on demand management measures
8.96 When government considers the range of policies needed to reduce oil dependence, and the level of government intervention or support that they deserve, the costs and benefits of demand side measures versus supply side measures should be compared. A litre of oil saved through a fuel efficiency measure, or by turning a car trip into a bicycle trip, is just as real as a litre of oil found by new exploration or produced in a coal to liquids plant.

8.97 It should be remembered that measures to reduce demand for oil-fuelled transport also have other benefits – reducing greenhouse gas emissions; promoting the environmental and social benefits of less car-dependent cities – which the alternative fuels do not have, or have to a lesser degree. In the cost/benefit comparison these extra benefits should count to the credit of the demand management measures.

And earlier…
Comment
8.48 Studies suggest that overall the potential fuel saved from promoting walking, cycling and public transport, with realistic assumptions about how much behavioural change could be achieved, is relatively small compared with the saving from improving the fuel efficiency of vehicles.[50] However more walking, cycling and public transport use is still a worthwhile goal for a number of reasons – for example to reduce congestion and pollution; to promote healthy lifestyles; and to reduce the disabilities suffered by people without cars (since more public transport use would make better services more viable). This applies regardless of predictions about the oil future. If there is a long term rise in the price of oil, it will be all the more necessary.

8.49 It is often said that it is too hard to get Australians out of their cars.[51] Others argue that the real problem is that people have no choice:

There is no real relationship between wealth and car use. People use cars because they have to. Car dependence has become a dominant phenomenon. There is a lot of nonsense about how you will never get people out of their cars. You will not get them out of their cars unless you give them a better option, and then they will.[52]

8.50 The committee agrees that, whatever the reasons for people’s travel behaviour, changing it is a challenging goal. However this does not mean it should not be attempted. It a clearly a long term project. Change may be slow, but the important thing is to set the trend to reduce car-dependence into the long term.
 
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About 12 years ago I was obsessed with this topic, and even formed some teams to go and brief some politicians here in Australia. It's not at all like the beginning of that documentary presents: just suddenly running out is a myth! Rather, it peaks and then - roughly speaking - goes into permanent decline.
Back in the 1950’s Hubbert predicted that American oil production would peak in 1970 and then begin a long journey of decline. How did he do it? He added up all the discovered oil, estimated the declining discovery trends against the increasing production trends, and then mapped it out. Peak light sweet crude occurred in America right on schedule: 1970. But now the debate is on about when world oil production will peak and head into permanent decline.
hubbert_upper-bound_peak_1956.png

But this debate is almost irrelevant, as from a climate point of view we should not even be burning all the remaining oil! (Let alone the coal and gas!) There is so much to say on this topic. World peak oil is a big subject, and predicting the date is difficult! World peak oil must also include all the tar-sands and shale oil and fracking liquids that can be brought to market to take the edge of the decline of light sweet crude. But the main point to understand is that the 'peak' just means the maximum. It means we've used all the cheap oil, and I think we're about there. The oil hereafter will gradually become more and more expensive, which you would think would just let market forces unfold normally with alternatives gradually kicking in.

Sadly, there are a few scenarios, basically geopolitical and military in nature, where because the decline of oil production is not uniform across all countries in the world, the nasty competitive geopolitics of selfish nations could throw us into crisis. EG: Some nations can go from being reliable oil exporters to suddenly being oil importers because their own economy grew with that oil exporting, and their people became wealthy, and started burning more of their own oil!
Sudden oil crisis

The threat is real, but just to highlight the climate risks again, I don't even think peak oil is the main challenge. The main challenge is we should not solve peak oil with dirtier substitutes because of climate change! We could do more and more tar-sands, more and more shale oil, more and more fracking and more and more coal-to-liquids. This would deplete all these resources even faster, but leave our grandchildren in a TERRIBLE climate crisis.

I’ll leave you with the conclusions of the Australian Senate special committee into peak oil (Feb 2007).

1. While the Senate somehow remained agnostic about a definitive date, we should be planning for it now.
3.137 The committee cannot take sides with any particular suggested date for peak oil. However in the committee’s view the possibility of a peak of conventional oil production before 2030 should be a matter of concern. Exactly when it occurs (which is very uncertain) is not the important point. In view of the enormous changes that will be needed to move to a less oil dependent future, Australia should be planning for it now.

3.138 Most of the official publications mentioned in this report seem to regard the ‘long term’ as extending to 2030, and are silent about the future after that. The committee regards this as inadequate. Longer term planning is needed. Even the prospect of peak oil in the period 2030-2050 – well within the lifespan of today’s children – should be a concern. Hirsch suggests that mitigation measures to reduce oil dependence ‘will require an intense effort over decades…’

This inescapable conclusion is based on the time required to replace vast numbers of liquid fuel consuming vehicles and the time required to build a substantial number of substitute fuel production facilities… Initiating a mitigation crash program 20 years before peaking appears to offer the possibility of avoiding a world liquid fuels shortfall for the forecast period.[114]

2. Markets will not prepare in time
Committee comment
4.64 The committee notes concerns that markets will not respond in time to provide a smooth transition to a post peak oil world without government action. Given the uncertainty about much of the information on world oil supplies and the geopolitical instability of some key oil bearing regions, it is possible that there may be a risk that markets will under invest in oil and energy technologies, resulting in economic and social hardship when supply of conventional oil falls below demand.

4.65 The information required to make a clear determination on whether peak oil will occur before the market can provide mitigating action is not available. The following chapters discuss possible mitigation actions. These offer options for a prudent approach to managing the possibility of peak oil and associated issues contributing to oil vulnerability, resulting in substantially higher oil prices and a constraint on liquid fuel availability.

3. There is no “silver bullet”
In an extensive study of all of the alternative liquid fuels, none appeared likely to replace oil in the foreseeable future. Some might replace niche markets for a while, such as LPG or coal-seam gas for heavy machinery and trucking, but there was no one silver bullet.

4. If peak oil is imminent, the effect on the world economy is going to be profound
4.4 A recent report for the US Department of Energy, the Hirsch report, considered the impact of three different scenarios on the world and American economies. One assumed that no mitigating action was initiated until peaking, the second assumed that action is initiated 10 years before peaking and scenario three assumed that action is initiated 20 years before peaking. The severity of the impact of peak oil on the world economies was different for each of the three scenarios.

4.5 The Hirsch report claims that only aggressive supply and demand side mitigation initiatives will allay the potential for peaking to result in dramatically higher oil prices, which will cause protracted economic hardship in the world. ASPO-Australia also claims that the economic and social impacts will be very serious unless we take the necessary precautions very soon. The potential seriousness of the problem is also accepted by some political leaders, the W.A. Minister for Planning and Infrastructure, the Hon. Alannah MacTiernan MLA commenting that:

It is also certain that the cost of preparing too early is nowhere near the cost of not being ready on time.[2]

5. We need energy efficient cities not energy efficient cars — and this is going to be difficult!
General comment on demand management measures
8.96 When government considers the range of policies needed to reduce oil dependence, and the level of government intervention or support that they deserve, the costs and benefits of demand side measures versus supply side measures should be compared. A litre of oil saved through a fuel efficiency measure, or by turning a car trip into a bicycle trip, is just as real as a litre of oil found by new exploration or produced in a coal to liquids plant.

8.97 It should be remembered that measures to reduce demand for oil-fuelled transport also have other benefits – reducing greenhouse gas emissions; promoting the environmental and social benefits of less car-dependent cities – which the alternative fuels do not have, or have to a lesser degree. In the cost/benefit comparison these extra benefits should count to the credit of the demand management measures.

And earlier…
Comment
8.48 Studies suggest that overall the potential fuel saved from promoting walking, cycling and public transport, with realistic assumptions about how much behavioural change could be achieved, is relatively small compared with the saving from improving the fuel efficiency of vehicles.[50] However more walking, cycling and public transport use is still a worthwhile goal for a number of reasons – for example to reduce congestion and pollution; to promote healthy lifestyles; and to reduce the disabilities suffered by people without cars (since more public transport use would make better services more viable). This applies regardless of predictions about the oil future. If there is a long term rise in the price of oil, it will be all the more necessary.

8.49 It is often said that it is too hard to get Australians out of their cars.[51] Others argue that the real problem is that people have no choice:

There is no real relationship between wealth and car use. People use cars because they have to. Car dependence has become a dominant phenomenon. There is a lot of nonsense about how you will never get people out of their cars. You will not get them out of their cars unless you give them a better option, and then they will.[52]

8.50 The committee agrees that, whatever the reasons for people’s travel behaviour, changing it is a challenging goal. However this does not mean it should not be attempted. It a clearly a long term project. Change may be slow, but the important thing is to set the trend to reduce car-dependence into the long term.

Thanks for the very informative data.

BTW

I totally agree that a drastic lifestyle change involving how humans travel would profoundly contribute to the solution. More bicycling, walking, and even a partial return to the horse and buggy for short distances would definitely contribute. But people in industrialized countries which are the ones which are the primary consumers of oil are just too habitually accustomed to getting places fast and grow quickly impatient with anything less. Even riding a slow-moving bus is considered as a slight hardship. So I seriously doubt that such a drastic change will occur to a significant degree unless such people are FORCED into it by circumstances.
 
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I now think there are technical answers, but people are not going to like them, at first, because of misinformation about nuclear power. But before I go on about nuclear power, there are a variety of reasons people will adopt New Urbanism: traffic and wasted time being main reasons, but also health, community, and psychological connectedness. Watch this short video. With population and traffic growth, trains and trams and trolley buses, with a few ultra-cheap-robot-taxi-cabs either end of the trip, may get us around faster than if we were all stuck in gridlock! Watch this: 4 minutes. And turn the sound up for some funky grooves! This video really moves me!


I used to be completely anti-nuclear. So I hear any first doubts you have!

I used to think nuclear power was dangerous, expensive, and left waste forever. But modern breeder reactors eat nuclear waste, and can convert America's waste into 1000 years of clean energy for them, and the UK's waste into 500 years of clean energy for them.
See Integral Fast Reactor (and there are other breeder reactors that do the same thing!)
Integral fast reactor - Wikipedia
Today's nuclear will not be expensive one-of-a-kind projects like hand building individual Rolls Royce's, but will come off the production line like affordable family cars built on the assembly line. GE's PRISM reactor is ready to build in the first nation that will take it, and then they'll get their production line going.
PRISM (reactor) - Wikipedia
After we've started building out today's AP1000's (would have survived Chernobyl and Fukushima situations!) and tomorrow's IFR's (waste-eating, cheaper, and even safer!), in a decade or 2 the *ultimate* nuclear power plant may be ready. Even some of my anti-nuclear friends support this one. It's a waste-eating nuclear reactor, but it *cannot* melt down as it is already a liquid! It's called the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor or LFTR (say "Lifter")
Liquid fluoride thorium reactor - Wikipedia
Coal kills more people each week when it goes right than the entire history of nuclear power going wrong. Indeed, more people die falling off rooftops installing solar power than have been killed by nuclear power! it's time to get serious about risk, get serious about understanding radiation (even bananas and people are radioactive!) and get informed. The climate is at stake, and yet half of us walk around it an unthinking emotional over-reaction against the *only* solution for most countries that don't have abundant hydro or geothermal. Dr James Hansen says we should be building 115 a year, which on a nukes per GDP ratio is slower than the French already built out. Nuclear is the answer. It's that simple! Nuclear power paves the only viable path forward on climate change

While we are rolling out the reactors to save lives and the climate from deadly coal, we also need to be moving to alternative transport systems. First of all, trains, trams, and trolley buses! But what about when we need cars? Here's the summary from my pages on alternative transport fuels.

Summary:
Electric batteries are now so good they can replace oil for cars and light trucks, including local government service vehicles like buses and garbage trucks. Today's grid can already charge most of this fleet of cars and light trucks if the power plants are run at full capacity. Robot taxi-cabs may reduce individual car ownership with one robot cab displacing ten vehicles. We may not need to buy expensive electric cars, and so corporations can offer us the best, every time! A 1:10 displacement also means instead of building 2 billion new cars, the world 'only' has to build 200 million. It's possible we might only have to build and recharge one tenth the cars. Diesel in heavy trucking can be replaced by a number of solutions including fast trains, synthetic diesel, and even boron powder. The future could be leaner, cleaner, and more convenient. There are even options for reducing oil dependence in a very sudden oil crisis!
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This video provides a very informative explanation about what would occur once our oil runs out and concerning the alternatives that might be employed in order to get mankind on its feet once more industrially. The question is if indeed algae is the solution as the video indicates, why not being the shift over to it now? Why wait for a disaster to strike?






Failing to plan is planning to fail!


The problem seems to be that the majority of mankind doesn't really appreciate the difference between renewable, such as sunlight, wind, hydraulic via water currents, ethanol which is a product of fermentation, and nonrenewable energy sources such as oil, and carbon.

Such ignorance seems to give them the impression that our present way of life which depends on the depletion of oil which is non-renewable is a permanent condition when it is indeed a temporary one soon to come to a sudden end with disastrous consequences unless we take precautionary action now.

Would would happen?

Aside of economic etc changes that would have to be made... I'ld say it might cause the "islamic" problem in the middle east to solve itself.

Once the black gold dries up, their way of life will collapse. Their women will have to step up. And it will effectively (eventually) mean the end of the "man's world" that is still a very real reality over there. That in turn will, by necessity, slowly but surely put an end to brutal theocracy and open te doors wide for equality, liberty, proper education etc... Because suddenly, they are going to have to start producing, inventing and innovating stuff in order to stay relevant on global markets. The days of just having foreign companies pay them big money to pump their black gold out of the ground and work it till its ready for consumption in cars and stuff, will be over.


That's my theory.

I think the end of the fossil fuel age is a double blessing.
Once for the people of the middle east.
And once for the global environment.

And I don't care if it causes a recession or two, three either.
The world will be better off.

If I could cause it to dry up tomorrow, I would. Without hesitation.
 
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Would would happen?

Aside of economic etc changes that would have to be made... I'ld say it might cause the "islamic" problem in the middle east to solve itself.

Once the black gold dries up, their way of life will collapse. Their women will have to step up. And it will effectively (eventually) mean the end of the "man's world" that is still a very real reality over there. That in turn will, by necessity, slowly but surely put an end to brutal theocracy and open te doors wide for equality, liberty, proper education etc... Because suddenly, they are going to have to start producing, inventing and innovating stuff in order to stay relevant on global markets. The days of just having foreign companies pay them big money to pump their black gold out of the ground and work it till its ready for consumption in cars and stuff, will be over.


That's my theory.

I think the end of the fossil fuel age is a double blessing.
Once for the people of the middle east.
And once for the global environment.

And I don't care if it causes a recession or two, three either.
The world will be better off.

If I could cause it to dry up tomorrow, I would. Without hesitation.

I agree, the blessing of an Earth no longer assailed by all the pollution presently being produced would indeed be welcomed. However, the danger is in the lack of proper preparation for the change that will inevitably overtake us and not the eventual inevitable depletion of that non-renewable resource.


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Thanx for pointing out that "Would would" typo. Will fix! Must have fixed it since I can't find it.
 
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I agree, the blessing of an Earth no longer assailed by all the pollution presently being produced would indeed be welcomed. However, the danger is in the lack of proper preparation for the change that will inevitably overtake us and not the eventual inevitable depletion of that non-renewable resource.

I saw "the day the earth stood still" a couple weeks ago.
Aside from thinking it was a pretty bad movie, there was one thing that I liked quite a lot near the end.

That idea that "humans show their true colours in crisis". And their "true colours" being positive things like creativity, solidarity, etc. It can certainly be argued that the opposite is actually true, lol...

But I think that nothing can and will prepare society sufficiently well to accomodate for a "smooth" transition of literally an oil-based economy to "something else".

It's painfully clear that big business is simply going to squeeze everything they get out of it and finally, the shortage is going to slap the economic society SO HARD in the face, the entire system will collapse and we'll have to make some radical choices which will change everything.

I think the society of next century is going to be virtually irrecognisable. But I have no clue in what way. But I fully expect it to be on the scale of 1902 vs 2017.
 
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This video provides a very informative explanation about what would occur once our oil runs out and concerning the alternatives that might be employed in order to get mankind on its feet once more industrially. The question is if indeed algae is the solution as the video indicates, why not being the shift over to it now? Why wait for a disaster to strike?






Failing to plan is planning to fail!


The problem seems to be that the majority of mankind doesn't really appreciate the difference between renewable, such as sunlight, wind, hydraulic via water currents, ethanol which is a product of fermentation, and nonrenewable energy sources such as oil, and carbon.

Such ignorance seems to give them the impression that our present way of life which depends on the depletion of oil which is non-renewable is a permanent condition when it is indeed a temporary one soon to come to a sudden end with disastrous consequences unless we take precautionary action now.
You really do watch a lot of Internet videos.
 
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This video provides a very informative explanation about what would occur once our oil runs out and concerning the alternatives that might be employed in order to get mankind on its feet once more industrially. The question is if indeed algae is the solution as the video indicates, why not being the shift over to it now? Why wait for a disaster to strike?

What would replace the oil/gas is economy determined. As simple as that. It is why we continue to burn oil, and all alternatives are peanuts today.
 
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What would replace the oil/gas is economy determined. As simple as that. It is why we continue to burn oil, and all alternatives are peanuts today.
What we need is one of Trump's executive orders to get us on the right track.
 
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This video provides a very informative explanation about what would occur once our oil runs out and concerning the alternatives that might be employed in order to get mankind on its feet once more industrially. The question is if indeed algae is the solution as the video indicates, why not being the shift over to it now? Why wait for a disaster to strike?

With advances in electric vehicle technology I doubt internal combustion will be the choice for transportation in the future.

It isn't really about running out of oil, but running out of cheap oil. We could always find a bit more oil somewhere, but it will be increasingly expensive to get. The recent collapse of the North Dakota fracking fields is a good example. Those oil fields were profitable when oil prices were high due to the high price of the extraction process. OPEC decided to eliminate some competitors, so they dumped a bunch of oil into the market which crashed oil prices. Those ND oil fields could no longer turn a profit and they went belly up.

Increasing oil prices will naturally drive the transfer over to electrical vehicles. If coal prices start to rise then this will naturally drive electric production towards nuclear and renewables.

We are already very close to being able to move to 100% electric vehicles, so I don't think there is any dire oil apocalypse in the future.
 
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With advances in electric vehicle technology I doubt internal combustion will be the choice for transportation in the future.

It isn't really about running out of oil, but running out of cheap oil. We could always find a bit more oil somewhere, but it will be increasingly expensive to get. The recent collapse of the North Dakota fracking fields is a good example. Those oil fields were profitable when oil prices were high due to the high price of the extraction process. OPEC decided to eliminate some competitors, so they dumped a bunch of oil into the market which crashed oil prices. Those ND oil fields could no longer turn a profit and they went belly up.

Increasing oil prices will naturally drive the transfer over to electrical vehicles. If coal prices start to rise then this will naturally drive electric production towards nuclear and renewables.

We are already very close to being able to move to 100% electric vehicles, so I don't think there is any dire oil apocalypse in the future.
Well, I guess they are just imagining things then.
 
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Well, I guess they are just imagining things then.

To be fair, a lot has changed in the last 10 years with respect to technology. We could replace very coal plant with a 2nd generation nuclear power plant that is incapable of meltdowns and can use the nuclear waste produced by 1st generation reactors. We could do that right now if we had the will to do it.

With electric vehicles, it is just an infrastructure problem at this point. It is just a matter of time before the industry settles on standardizations for battery swapping which would immediately solve the current range problems for electric vehicles. The range problem could also be solved by quick charging that last just a few minutes. There are already electric semi trucks that have a range of 800 to 1,200 miles:

Nikola Motor Company | Premium Electric Vehicles

It just so happens that we keep using fossil fuels because they are cheap.
 
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That explains a lot.
Like what?

BTW
If you are not going to add anything constructive to the subject except sarcastic provoking remarks then I would prefer you not post on my thread.

Out of sight out of mind!
 
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