WHAT HAPPENS TO THE UNREPENTANT WICKED AFTER THE 2ND COMING?

[LoveGodsWord]

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Thanks HARK! Now I am not quite sure what type of poll to add Zzz. For me it is not what the majority think but what God's Word says. Let me think about it though or if you have any suggestions let me know.

God bless

 

[Dkh587]

Psalm 37 is a great Psalm, speaking of the promise of eternal life for the righteous, and the promise of eternal destruction for the wicked, which is the consistent theme throughout the whole of Scriptures.

King David was an annihilationist, just like the other Prophets.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Psalm 37 is a great Psalm, speaking of the promise of eternal life for the righteous, and the promise of eternal destruction for the wicked, which is the consistent theme throughout the whole of Scriptures.

King David was an annihilationist, just like the other Prophets.

Hey David thanks for that. Yes and this is where we need to be as we wait for the coming of our Lord. Jesus says that prior to his second coming there will be many false teachings seeking to lead many away from God and his Word. I believe God's people are in every church but the hour is coming and now is that the true worshippers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is calling us out from following man made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God.

God bless David.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Psalm 37 is a great Psalm, speaking of the promise of eternal life for the righteous, and the promise of eternal destruction for the wicked, which is the consistent theme throughout the whole of Scriptures.

King David was an annihilationist, just like the other Prophets.

Yes, but David didn't have the benefit of the revelation of the Father in the Son. In Christ God is reconciling the whole world to Him, not counting men's sins against them (2 Cor 5:19-20).

Jesus teaches us that the things of God are spiritually discerned, a lesson not lost on Paul, that great apostle, when he says:

But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. (1 Cor 2:14)

So the everlasting destruction of the wicked is not achieved by natural earthly means. Rather, it is achieved by our conversion, our renewal in the life of Christ through the baptism of holy fire and the Spirit.

For everyone will be salted with fire, and salt is good. (Mk 9-49)

Behold I am making all things new (Rev 21:5)

Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. (1 Jn 4:7-8)

For Jesus is the Salvation of God the Father of mankind who comes to save the world and is the beginning and the end of all things.

The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all. (1 Cor 15:26-28)

 

[HARK!]

Yes, but David didn't have the benefit of the revelation of the Father in the Son.

(CLV) Mt 22:41
Now, the Pharisees being gathered, Jesus inquires of them,

(CLV) Mt 22:42
saying, "What are you supposing concerning the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They are saying to Him, "David's."

(CLV) Mt 22:43
He is saying to them, "How, then, is David, in spirit, calling Him Lord, saying,

(CLV) Mt 22:44
`Said the Lord to my Lord, "Sit at My right, Till I should be placing Thine enemies" underneath "Thy feet"'?

(CLV) Mt 22:45
If, then, David is calling Him Lord, how is He his Son?"

(CLV) Mt 22:46
And not one was able to answer Him a word, neither dares anyone, from that day, inquire of Him any longer.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Thanks very much bbbbbbb. I will see how we go, if not something maybe for next time. Thanks for your advice though.

God bless

You are welcome. God bless you, as well.

 

[HARK!]

IS OUR SALVATION CONDITIONAL BEFORE THE 2ND COMING?

Thanks HARK! Now I am not quite sure what type of poll to add Zzz. For me it is not what the majority think but what God's Word says. Let me think about it though or if you have any suggestions let me know.

God bless

IS OUR SALVATION CONDITIONAL BEFORE THE 2ND COMING?

1.) Yes
2.) Nope. OSAS. We can live life like Satan is throwing a non-stop, buck wild, minion party at his place. Just say the magic words, and jump in the water.

If you frame the answers correctly; people will think about their responses; and you'll find unanimous agreement.

 

[bbbbbbb]

IS OUR SALVATION CONDITIONAL BEFORE THE 2ND COMING?

1.) Yes
2.) Nope. OSAS. We can live life like Satan is throwing a non-stop, buck wild, minion party at his place. Just say the magic words, and jump in the water.

If you frame the answers correctly; people will think about their responses; and you'll find unanimous agreement.

That's the problem. It is so simple to create strawmen of your opponents. For example, (this is a true story), I met a Christian once who lived in such dread of losing his salvation that he became completely mentally unbalanced and underwent electroshock treatments to help restore his sanity. Also, I had a great aunt who belonged to the SDA. One fine Saturday morning she lost track of the weekdays and got up and did her housework. When she discovered that she had done this on Saturday she became nearly suicidal, believing that her fate in the Lake of Fire had been determined.

 

[HARK!]

That's the problem. It is so simple to create strawmen of your opponents. For example, (this is a true story), I met a Christian once who lived in such dread of losing his salvation that he became completely mentally unbalanced and underwent electroshock treatments to help restore his sanity. Also, I had a great aunt who belonged to the SDA. One fine Saturday morning she lost track of the weekdays and got up and did her housework. When she discovered that she had done this on Saturday she became nearly suicidal, believing that her fate in the Lake of Fire had been determined.

In case 1, we are not to be obedient for our salvation. We are to be obedient out of love for YHWH.

In case 2, Yahshua has our unintentional sins covered. That is a role of the High Priest.

Both of these people needed a deeper understanding of scripture.

Now how do either of these anecdotes refute the fact that there are conditions on salvation?

 

[bbbbbbb]

In case 1, we are not to be obedient for our salvation. We are to be obedient out of love for YHWH.

In case 2, Yahshua has our unintentional sins covered. That is a role of the High Priest.

Both of these people needed a deeper understanding of scripture.

Now how do either of these anecdotes refute the fact that there are conditions on salvation?

Of course there are conditions on salvation. If there were not then salvation would be universal for all mankind. The difficulty comes in understanding the nature of the conditions. The conditions outlined in the Bible are as follow:

1. The person and work of Jesus Christ. This is the absolute bedrock of salvation. Apart from Jesus Christ there is no salvation.
2. God's grace extended to His people through the person and work of Jesus Christ. Apart from the grace of God there is no salvation.

 

[HARK!]

Of course there are conditions on salvation. If there were not then salvation would be universal for all mankind. The difficulty comes in understanding the nature of the conditions. The conditions outlined in the Bible are as follow:

1. The person and work of Jesus Christ. This is the absolute bedrock of salvation. Apart from Jesus Christ there is no salvation.
2. God's grace extended to His people through the person and work of Jesus Christ. Apart from the grace of God there is no salvation.

Is that it? Is that the entire outline of all of the conditions?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Is that it? Is that the entire outline of all of the conditions?

Those are the two conditions upon which all Christians agree. As for others, some folks add one or two and other have virtually endless lists of conditions. How many do you have?

 

[nolidad]

Transgressors of what?



What's iniquity?




What are sinners?



This sounds awfully legalistic.



There's that word again.

Are you playing devils advocate for possible novices or do you not know what is being written in the word.

 

[HARK!]

Those are the two conditions upon which all Christians agree. As for others, some folks add one or two and other have virtually endless lists of conditions. How many do you have?

I wasn't the one who attempted to outline them.

How does this verse fit into your model?:

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

...or does it?

 

[HARK!]

Are you playing devils advocate for possible novices or do you not know what is being written in the word.

I don't even play the devil's advocate.

Are you suggesting that the scripture is of the devil?

I was calling for LoveGodsWord to further explain and define the scripture.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I wasn't the one who attempted to outline them.

How does this verse fit into your model?:

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

...or does it?

This is what as known as hyperbole, a very common means of expressing a truth. In this case Jesus is stating the simple fact that apart from absolute perfection nobody will enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[HARK!]

This is what as known as hyperbole, a very common means of expressing a truth.

Hyperbole is exaggeration. Exaggeration of the truth, deviates from the truth. Yahshua is the truth. He doesn't exaggerate.

 

[nolidad]

I don't even play the devil's advocate.

Are you suggesting that the scripture is of the devil?

I was calling for LoveGodsWord to further explain and define the scripture.

To what purpose as to the OP? To try to trip up LoveGods Word?

The issue is the eternal doom of the those who are unsaved!

 

[HARK!]

To what purpose as to the OP?

I already explained the purpose.

To try to trip up LoveGods Word?

How could you say such a thing?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Hyperbole is exaggeration. Exaggeration of the truth, deviates from the truth. Yahshua is the truth. He doesn't exaggerate.

Let's stick with the truth then. One must be utterly sinless and perfect to enter the kingdom of heaven. Do you believe that is an eternal, unchanging condition for the salvation of humanity?