What Evolutionists Deny

[USincognito]

So what are you saying? That it is impossible for a Christian to accept evolution?

He better be. Because if he's saying that if one accepts evolution one cannot be a Christian he's in violation of forum rules.

 

[miknik5]

What is "my agenda" miknik? I've love for you to tell me.

Why should you have one

Why should you be defensive

Who can take anything away from you

 

[USincognito]

When copying and pasting in someone else's work it is customary to give credit for it. In this case, to Dr. James Barr.

It doesn't matter because it's a typical dishonest Creationist quote mine.

Creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience

1. the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story
2. Noah’s flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark. <<
   Oxford Hebrew scholar, Professor James Barr. source

YECs Misquoting Hebrew Scholars on the Genesis Interpretation
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There is another portion of the letter that they “neglected” to quote where Barr clarifies his position:

The only thing I would say to qualify this is that most professors may avoid much involvement in that sort of argument and so may not say much explicitly about it one way or the other. But I think what I say would represent their position correctly. However, you might find one or two people who would take the contrary point of view and are competent in the languages, in Assyriology, and so on: it’s really not so much a matter of technical linguistic competence, as of appreciation of the sort of text that Genesis is.


Notice Barr says that the conclusion he drew upon was “not so much a matter of technical linguistic competence,” which by itself demolishes the argument that the YECs are making that their interpretation is demanded by the Hebrew text itself; not to mention he adds that most of the professors would tend to avoid this issue not saying anything on the topic on one side or the other.



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[miknik5]

He better be. Because if he's saying that if one accepts evolution one cannot be a Christian he's in violation of forum rules.

And if one hasn't accepted CHRIST are they in violation of a Christian forum?

Because I'm confused
I was told I was preaching

And why here on a Christian forum where all believe in CHRIST would one be offended when one speaks about CHRIST?

 

[Speedwell]

And if one hasn't accepted CHRIST are they in violation of a Christian forum?

Because I'm confused
I was told I was preaching

And why here on a Christian forum where all believe in CHRIST would one be offended when one speaks about CHRIST?

Depends on what they say, doesn't it?

 

[miknik5]

It doesn't matter because it's a typical dishonest Creationist quote mine.


YECs Misquoting Hebrew Scholars on the Genesis Interpretation
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There is another portion of the letter that they “neglected” to quote where Barr clarifies his position:

The only thing I would say to qualify this is that most professors may avoid much involvement in that sort of argument and so may not say much explicitly about it one way or the other. But I think what I say would represent their position correctly. However, you might find one or two people who would take the contrary point of view and are competent in the languages, in Assyriology, and so on: it’s really not so much a matter of technical linguistic competence, as of appreciation of the sort of text that Genesis is.


Notice Barr says that the conclusion he drew upon was “not so much a matter of technical linguistic competence,” which by itself demolishes the argument that the YECs are making that their interpretation is demanded by the Hebrew text itself; not to mention he adds that most of the professors would tend to avoid this issue not saying anything on the topic on one side or the other.



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Depends on what they say, doesn't it?

LOL

It depends on what CHRIST says

 

[USincognito]

Actually sir it leaves man with the one option to hold onto

FAITH

That GOD's got everything under control

Not sure what that has to do with what I wrote, but O.k.

Why should you have one

Why should you be defensive

Who can take anything away from you

Look, I know that you guys are trained to never answer questions and instead reflect back questions at your interlocutor, but this is not a face to face conversation where our words disappear into the aether as soon as spoken. There's a transcript and here's what you wrote earlier today.

Is your agenda a true agenda sir? Or is your agenda similar to @USincognito

I have asked you to tell me what you think my agenda is because you clearly are accusing me of having one. Now if you want to continue to play coy games and responding with questions instead of answers, I'll just keep repeating my question until I get an answer.

So, again, what do you think my "agenda" is.

 

[USincognito]

LOL

It depends on what CHRIST says

Why did you quote me in that response?

And I sill want to know what you think my agenda is.

 

[USincognito]

And if one hasn't accepted CHRIST are they in violation of a Christian forum?

Because I'm confused
I was told I was preaching

And why here on a Christian forum where all believe in CHRIST would one be offended when one speaks about CHRIST?

What the heck are you rambling about? What does any of this have to do with what KWCrazy wrote and whether it's a violation of CF rules or not?

 

[USincognito]

In 20 years, nobody has ever been able to show me passages from the Bible to support evolution.

I bet that applies to heliocentrism, germ theory of disease, plate tectonic theory, dynamo theory, atomic theory, the Chinese Imperial Court or how the internal combustion engine works.

It's almost as if the writers of the Bible didn't write about what they didn't know.

 

[miknik5]

It doesn't matter because it's a typical dishonest Creationist quote mine.


YECs Misquoting Hebrew Scholars on the Genesis Interpretation
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There is another portion of the letter that they “neglected” to quote where Barr clarifies his position:

The only thing I would say to qualify this is that most professors may avoid much involvement in that sort of argument and so may not say much explicitly about it one way or the other. But I think what I say would represent their position correctly. However, you might find one or two people who would take the contrary point of view and are competent in the languages, in Assyriology, and so on: it’s really not so much a matter of technical linguistic competence, as of appreciation of the sort of text that Genesis is.


Notice Barr says that the conclusion he drew upon was “not so much a matter of technical linguistic competence,” which by itself demolishes the argument that the YECs are making that their interpretation is demanded by the Hebrew text itself; not to mention he adds that most of the professors would tend to avoid this issue not saying anything on the topic on one side or the other.



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It doesn't matter what men say

Men can offer their input all they want

The secrets to the kingdom have been given to those who believe in HIM

And HE does not lie

The creation account is perfect
It fits
And there are certain representations throughout HIS WORD that affirm that man was created on the 6th day and the 7th day was the Lord's Sabbath rest

Man can move as far away as he wants to but he can't purposely move himself out of the 6th day and into the 8th day

 

[miknik5]

What the heck are you rambling about? What does any of this have to do with what KWCrazy wrote and whether it's a violation of CF rules or not?

Do you believe in THE LORD?

Your concerned for the creationist and this all or nothing?

It doesn't matter in the least what labels men hide behind

There's only two peoples before GOD
And it isn't based on whether one is an evolutionist OR a creationist

You said one has no right to say that it's an all or nothing approach as it violates forum rules?

However it s appears that the very fact that many here don't even believe in THE GOSPEL are here on a Christian forum

Isn't that a violation of forum rules?

 

[USincognito]

It doesn't matter what men say

Maybe you need to tell that to KWCrazy instead of me. He was the one who was citing (via a dishonest Creationist quote mine) as an authority on how Genesis "must" be interpreted. Not me.

 

[USincognito]

Do you believe in THE LORD?

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what my agenda is. Are you ever going to do so?

 

[miknik5]

I bet that applies to heliocentrism, germ theory of disease, plate tectonic theory, dynamo theory, atomic theory, the Chinese Imperial Court or how the internal combustion engine works.

It's almost as if the writers of the Bible didn't write about what they didn't know.

There was no need to write about what is not eternal

 

[miknik5]

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what my agenda is. Are you ever going to do so?

I'll find out
For all that is hidden will be revealed

 

[miknik5]

Maybe you need to tell that to KWCrazy instead of me. He was the one who was citing (via a dishonest Creationist quote mine) as an authority on how Genesis "must" be interpreted. Not me.

Genesis must be interpreted just as it is written

 

[Speedwell]

However it s appears that the very fact that many here don't even believe in THE GOSPEL are here on a Christian forum

Isn't that a violation of forum rules?

No. Under forum rules, this board is open to non-Christians.

 

[miknik5]

I don't see anything in the word of God that supports evolution either

Sorry

 

[miknik5]

No. Under forum rules, this board is open to non-Christians.

Oops. My bad

But does that mean that Christians are not allowed to support their arguments with THE GOSPEL, and with THE WORD of GOD