What Evolutionists Deny

[miknik5]

Not that I am aware of. Now, can you demonstrate this truth, with anything besides making claims.

I don't have to

 

[VirOptimus]

And clearly you think all that is/would be a good thing. Presumably, therefore, you think the status quo is a bad thing. And yet you also say you think good and evil do not exist. Do I detect an inconsistency, here?

And I return to the holocaust. Are you really trying to tell me the industrial scale murders of 6 million plus Jews, and countless communists, homosexuals, gypsies and disabled people was not evil? Because evil doesn't exist? I refer the honourable gentleman to the history of the twentieth century.

Best wishes, Strivax.

As evil dont exist its a useless term.

There is no inconsistences in my worldview or philosophy. I can still feel things and have opinions without metaphysics.

I find the holocaust abhorrent of course and have no problem exressing so or why without ever using metaphysical terms.

 

[miknik5]

What kind of freaky stuff is going on in this thread?

You realize you are basically preaching, correct?

You are entitled to have your beliefs, but I would accept they will be questioned on the science portion of the forum.

Wait. No I wasn't aware of that. I thought I was simply bringing the TRUTH of GOD as SOVEREIGN into this debate where men who think their wisdom is somehow above GOD's WISDOM

I was hoping to remind you that it isn't

 

[USincognito]

Is your agenda a true agenda sir? Or is your agenda similar to @USincognito

What is "my agenda" miknik? I've love for you to tell me.

 

[USincognito]

The first thing you have to reject is the notion that the Bible is the word of God, since no possible interpretation of the scriptures allows for evolution. So if you believe in evolution you cannot possibly support the idea that the Bible is true. The Bible doesn't hint at the notion that God could have created the world in sic days, it states clearly and without any confusion that is exactly what happened. It also states that death and sin come into the world through one man. Since there had to be billions of years of death before man, then this also must be false. Jesus quoted from the Scriptures and believed them to be the inspired word of God. If evolution happened, then nothing Jesus said can be taken at face value. Since Christian means "of Christ" and Christ believed and taught that the teachings of Moses were accurate, if they were not then there would certainly be no reason to claim to be a follower of this poor mistaken soul.

Therefore, one should chose to support evolution or to support the teachings of Christ. The two are mutually exclusive. One cannot believe in both.

This sort of all or nothing thinking helps cause crises of faith and helps foster atheism. Creationists never seem to think this stuff through.

 

[USincognito]

Ohhh the young earth creationists

And what is their position that goes against THE TRUTH?

What is the difference between us?
I'm still having difficulty in understanding your position and how it is even different from mine

I don't even know anything about what a creationist believes

And I do believe that all of GOD's WORD is absolute infallible truth

So it appears to me that all this time you thought I was a creationist and I thought that you somehow were

So if you don't mind giving me a catch up lesson on what a creationist believes I'd appreciate it

Hold on a second. You knew that "YEC" meant young earth creationist, but you don't have any idea what YECs believe?

 

[KWCrazy]

So you are claiming to know every interpretation of the bible?

It isn't even close.
Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that:

1. creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience
2. the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story
3. Noah’s flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark. <<
   Oxford Hebrew scholar, Professor James Barr. source

Genesis is written in plain language with the clear intent to describe a six-day creation. That is made clear again in Exodus 20:11 where the Fourth Commandment is based on the six day creation. The only way to read these words and still promote evolution is to reject the Scriptures entirely. We expect this from atheists, but not Christians. Christ not only quoted from Genesis but also said that if you didn't believe the words of Moses you could not believe in Him.

John said in 1:15 that nobody had ever seen the face of God. This means that it was Christ, not God the Father, who walked and spoke with Adam. If this is true, then teaching evolution is the same as calling Christ a liar. That's not exactly the role of His servants.

 

[Speedwell]

Ohhh the young earth creationists

And what is their position that goes against THE TRUTH?

What is the difference between us?
I'm still having difficulty in understanding your position and how it is even different from mine

I don't even know anything about what a creationist believes

And I do believe that all of GOD's WORD is absolute infallible truth

So it appears to me that all this time you thought I was a creationist and I thought that you somehow were

So if you don't mind giving me a catch up lesson on what a creationist believes I'd appreciate it

That the universe and everything in it was created in six calendar days about 6000 years ago, and that the entire terrestrial globe was flooded with water about 2400 BC.

 

[miknik5]

What is "my agenda" miknik? I've love for you to tell me.

Ah. First things first

I like your new picture

 

[miknik5]

That the universe and everything in it was created in six calendar days about 6000 years ago, and that the entire terrestrial globe was flooded with water about 2400 BC.

Ok

I guess I'm a CHRISTian Creationist !

 

[USincognito]

Ah. First things first

I like your new picture

Thanks, it's a response to the Pepe avatars some are using and I'll bring back me getting my Remicade infusion in a while.

Anyway, I await you telling me what my agenda is.

 

[Speedwell]

It isn't even close.
Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that:

1. creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience
2. the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story
3. Noah’s flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark. <<
   Oxford Hebrew scholar, Professor James Barr. source

Genesis is written in plain language with the clear intent to describe a six-day creation. That is made clear again in Exodus 20:11 where the Fourth Commandment is based on the six day creation. The only way to read these words and still promote evolution is to reject the Scriptures entirely. We expect this from atheists, but not Christians. Christ not only quoted from Genesis but also said that if you didn't believe the words of Moses you could not believe in Him.

John said in 1:15 that nobody had ever seen the face of God. This means that it was Christ, not God the Father, who walked and spoke with Adam. If this is true, then teaching evolution is the same as calling Christ a liar. That's not exactly the role of His servants.

When copying and pasting in someone else's work it is customary to give credit for it. In this case, to Dr. James Barr.

 

[KWCrazy]

says who?
You?
That has been the deception from the beginning

In 20 years, nobody has ever been able to show me passages from the Bible to support evolution. To the contrary, the events of Genesis are foundational. Through one man sin came into the world, through one man salvation came into the world. The fact is, there are 333 miracles in the Bible, none of which follows natural law and can be replicated by science. You either believe that God is Lord of the universe or you do not. If you believe that the theories of man supersede the word of God, then you do not. If you teach evolution then you're teaching heresy. I hate to be the one to bring you the news, but that's what the Bible teaches.

 

[miknik5]

Hold on a second. You knew that "YEC" meant young earth creationist, but you don't have any idea what YECs believe?

Yep I heard the term but never had a need to look into it

 

[KWCrazy]

When copying and pasting in someone else's work it is customary to give credit for it. In this case, to Dr. James Barr.

You didn't see the hyperlink labeled SOURCE?

 

[miknik5]

In 20 years, nobody has ever been able to show me passages from the Bible to support evolution. To the contrary, the events of Genesis are foundational. Through one man sin came into the world, through one man salvation came into the world. The fact is, there are 333 miracles in the Bible, none of which follows natural law and can be replicated by science. You either believe that God is Lord of the universe or you do not. If you believe that the theories of man supersede the word of God, then you do not. If you teach evolution then you're teaching heresy. I hate to be the one to bring you the news, but that's what the Bible teaches.

There's a problem

When I consider "evolution" I consider and know that the fall caused an affect that effected all

To me "evolution" is no more than change due to that fall

 

[Speedwell]

In 20 years, nobody has ever been able to show me passages from the Bible to support evolution. To the contrary, the events of Genesis are foundational. Through one man sin came into the world, through one man salvation came into the world. The fact is, there are 333 miracles in the Bible, none of which follows natural law and can be replicated by science. You either believe that God is Lord of the universe or you do not. If you believe that the theories of man supersede the word of God, then you do not. If you teach evolution then you're teaching heresy. I hate to be the one to bring you the news, but that's what the Bible teaches.

So what are you saying? That it is impossible for a Christian to accept evolution?

 

[Speedwell]

You didn't see the hyperlink labeled SOURCE?

Doesn't show up here for some reason.

 

[miknik5]

An evolving and moving away from the ORIGINAL SOURCE and DESIGN

I do not and never have believed that somehow we evolved out of and into what we are today

I do not believe that man was ever an ape

And I certainly don't believe that atoms randomly joined to create not only the male partner but his female counterpart as well

I believe GOD created man and all the lower created things

I do believe changes over many years were more the result of an affect which effects all

Adaptions which benefitted us so that we continued to survive is more GOD's GRACE in allowing man to never be completely destroyed

I believe we are "evolving" (changing) and creation is wearing down

That "evolution" is more a moving away from than a moving towards a perfected end

We lost that after we fell and were sent from the garden of GOD.

THAT PERFECT HOME

And that fall affected and effected everything

 

[miknik5]

This sort of all or nothing thinking helps cause crises of faith and helps foster atheism. Creationists never seem to think this stuff through.

Actually sir it leaves man with the one option to hold onto

FAITH

That GOD's got everything under control