What errors and inventions arose in Roman Catholicism?

[squint]

Last time I went to an Orthodox liturgy, the priest would scoop out of the chalice and flick it into the mouth of the congregants. It looked pretty hygenic too.

cool...

 

[prodromos]

Last time I went to an Orthodox liturgy, the priest would scoop out of the chalice and flick it into the mouth of the congregants. It looked pretty hygenic too.

In our parish we close our mouth over the spoon. We're not concerned about illness as we are receiving life itself. Would not matter if the first person in the line had Aids or some othed contagious disease, we would all commune without fear of contracting the disease.

 

[WisdomTree]

In our parish we close our mouth over the spoon. We're not concerned about illness as we are receiving life itself. Would not matter if the first person in the line had Aids or some othed contagious disease, we would all commune without fear of contracting the disease.

I think I saw that in a Russian parish once. Regardless, both the Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox have the body and blood combined in the Chalice, in contrast to the Western Catholics. I went to an Indian parish once and after receiving from the Chalice, the deacon (I think) would poor water into the parishioner's mouth to help them wash it down.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by prodromos

In our parish we close our mouth over the spoon. We're not concerned about illness as we are receiving life itself.
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Would not matter if the first person in the line had Aids or some othed contagious disease, we would all commune without fear of contracting the disease.
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Reminds me of this event with Paul in Acts 28 and snake handling in some finges of denominations

Acts 28

3Paul gathered a pile of brushwood and, as he put it on the fire, a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand.
4When the islanders saw the snake hanging from his hand, they said to each other, “This man must be a murderer; for though he escaped from the sea, the goddess Justice has not allowed him to live.”
5But Paul shook the snake off into the fire and suffered no ill effects.
6The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead; but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god.

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[Rick Otto]

I would submit that anyone who doesn't worship the Holy Eucharist doesn't really believe in the Real Presence.

I would assert that anyone who does worship The Holy Eucharist really does believe in the Real Presence.

 

[Rick Otto]

Does anyone know Church policy on wine selection?
I'm imagining Jesus would've liked a dry Merlot (like me, lol).

 

[WisdomTree]

Does anyone know Church policy on wine selection?
I'm imagining Jesus would've liked a dry Merlot (like me, lol).

Natural fermentation, that's it. The priest who confirmed me preferred using white wine for practical reason, since red wine tends to stain the Chalice.

 

[St. Paul]

I'm betting that those in the catholic church who conned people out of money through indulgences to shorten their time in purgatory or a loved one will feel the wrath of God. I imagine God would not approve of this practice and probably isn't to happy about it.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I would assert that anyone who does worship The Holy Eucharist really does believe in the Real Presence.

Rick, you assert wrongly.

 

[squint]

Natural fermentation, that's it. The priest who confirmed me preferred using white wine for practical reason, since red wine tends to stain the Chalice.

Hopefully you were of legal drinking age?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto

I would assert that anyone who does worship The Holy Eucharist really does believe in the Real Presence.
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Rick, you assert wrongly.

In what way?
Doesn't the Lutheran denomination believe in the "real presence?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7740326-4/
Non-Denominational Churches and Real Presence?

Hi Mightymouse,

I agree you are probably right. I have looked into various Lutheran denominations already, but I think the ELCA is far too liberal theologically, and I think the LCMS and WELS have various issues as well that make them unattractive choices.
For instance, both view the office of the Pope as the Anti-Christ, which I think is a radical position, and both treat Luther like he was an infallible source of truth, when it is entirely possible that as a flawed man, Luther made mistakes theologically...and I believe he did in a few areas, albeit important areas.

I do appreciate the help though!

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[Standing Up]

I'm betting that those in the catholic church who conned people out of money through indulgences to shorten their time in purgatory or a loved one will feel the wrath of God. I imagine God would not approve of this practice and probably isn't to happy about it.

They contend the Pope was ignorant of the practice. Much like their recent disease.

But I'll look into "indulgences".

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Hopefully you were of legal drinking age?

We are exempt from the law here in Canada. I was confirmed and had my first Communion when I was 12.

 

[squint]

We are exempt from the law here in Canada. I was confirmed and had my first Communion when I was 12.

I grew up 6 miles south of the Manitoba border. I know very well what the drinking age is there. Started drinking their fine STOUT in the bars when I was 14.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by squint

Hopefully you were of legal drinking age?
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We are exempt from the law here in Canada. I was confirmed and had my first Communion when I was 12.

Good for you!
That is the age our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ preached in the Temple.

Isaiah 11:6
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together
and a little child/lad shall lead them.
[Luke 2:42-46]

Luke 2:42
and when He became twelve years old, they having gone up to Jerusalem, according to the custom of the feast,

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

In what way?
Doesn't the Lutheran denomination believe in the "real presence?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7740326-4/
Non-Denominational Churches and Real Presence?




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We do believe in the real presence; we do not "worship" the bread and wine; we do however adore them as a means of grace (I believe that our RCC and Ortodox brothers and sisters do also, but not worship the elements).

We do, however, worship our Lord Jesus Christ who is present in, with and under the bread and wine; as do our Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters.

 

[Standing Up]

We do believe in the real presence; we do not "worship" the bread and wine; we do however adore them as a means of grace (I believe that our RCC and Ortodox brothers and sisters do also, but not worship the elements).

We do, however, worship our Lord Jesus Christ who is present in, with and under the bread and wine; as do our Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters.

Not exactly.

RC worships the bread as god. The creation, not the Creator.

Eucharist Adoration is worship (latria) of the bread. This is why it made it on to the Protestant Error thread. Worship of the bread, species, in, with, under.

Luther began the Reformation. He didn't sever from all of Rome's erroneous teachings, remember?

 

[Rick Otto]

Mark, I distinguish between reality & fantasy only. Distinctions between fantasies don't count with me. Real Presence, Transubstantiation, and any other purported miracle that literalizes the eucharist metaphor, is simply religious affectation in my opinion.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Mark, I distinguish between reality & fantasy only. Distinctions between fantasies don't count with me. Real Presence, Transubstantiation, and any other purported miracle that literalizes the eucharist metaphor, is simply religious affectation in my opinion.

It is regrettable that the truth of the orthodox doctrine regarding the Eucharist can not be part of your faith. For me I take my Lord Jesus Christ at His Word, literally. I we are to not take our Lord's words literally, then we can not take the rest of Scripture literally; which, therefore would make the whole of God's Word a myth. I am not ready to throw out my Bible as fiction just yet, but I do build my faith on it's every word... God's every word. It says what it says, and the Eucharist is what it is; Christ's very body and blood and a means of Grace whereby sins are forgiven.

 

[pathfinder777]

It is regrettable that the truth of the orthodox doctrine regarding the Eucharist can not be part of your faith. For me I take my Lord Jesus Christ at His Word, literally. I we are to not take our Lord's words literally, then we can not take the rest of Scripture literally; which, therefore would make the whole of God's Word a myth. I am not ready to throw out my Bible as fiction just yet, but I do build my faith on it's every word... God's every word. It says what it says, and the Eucharist is what it is; Christ's very body and blood and a means of Grace whereby sins are forgiven.

Taking a both/and vs. either/or approach to interpreting Scripture is warranted within so much of Scripture. John 6 is the perfect example. It starts off symbolic (His teaching) and finishes literal (His flesh)e.g. sacramental