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So you don't believe Christ is the king of heaven?I dont believe they refer a holy site as the "queen of Heaven"
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN...that they may provoke me to anger Jeremiah 7:18
What does it mean to say "I have no problem with how it happened"? It was war, people died, many innocent of any great wickedness, many simply farmers and labourers who were going about their business when the troops came and killed them. Some were tortured. Some were promised clemency and then shamefully executed. The north of England suffered greatly by such measures. So what does it mean to have no problem with how it happened?
So what you are saying is that YOU really have no response? You made some claims, which I know you cut and pasted, but if you are going to post those claims and proclaim them as your own thoughts as well, then you need to be able to defend them. Posting a bunch of videos isn't a response.
Is it a huge error when people bow out of respect to the queen of England? (Most of them are Protestant who do so.) Or any other king in their country? And yet the woman who gave birth to OUR salvation, deserves no respect?
So you are saying that you are too lazy to debate what you have posted? Let me be frank. Your source material is garbage and I do not have the time or desire to refute all the false claims found within these videos. If it requires you to use outright lies and misconceptions to win a debate, maybe you really should begin to question your source material.Yes it is, in fact they are my source material. Enjoy.
First off, no. Secondly that is not Mary they are bowing to, it is a graven image of Mary.
No they are bowing to what that image represents, much like someone who weeps over a picture of a loved one who has passed away. Are they weeping for the picture? No, they are weeping for him/her that the picture is of. Honestly no leg to stand on here. What you accuse these people of, Protestants do in every day life as well.First off, no. Secondly that is not Mary they are bowing to, it is a graven image of Mary.
So you are saying that you are too lazy to debate what you have posted? Let me be frank. Your source material is garbage and I do not have the time or desire to refute all the false claims found within these videos. If it requires you to use outright lies and misconceptions to win a debate, maybe you really should begin to question your source material.
Rev Randy is right, the SDA do have better videos, and make a better case than these, even though it is still false. At least they gave it a better try.
PS. Your videos do not directly address my refutations of your cut and pastes.
First off, no. Secondly that is not Mary they are bowing to, it is a graven image of Mary.
No they are bowing to what that image represents, much like someone who weeps over a picture of a loved one who has passed away. Are they weeping for the picture? No, they are weeping for him/her that the picture is of. Honestly no leg to stand on here. What you accuse these people of, Protestants do in every day life as well.
If you going to take this graven image thing, you need to take it all the way, i.e. no pictures or statues or anything that is an image of something else. Yet in many Protestant homes there is an image of the Last Supper or some other form of sacred art. Why? Because it feels right to them to have something in their home that shows all who enter it that this is a Christian home.
So they bow to someone that you agree is LESS than the mother of Jesus, and that is alright with you? So you think the worldly is greater than the heavenly. Got it.What's more, they don't PRAY to the Queen, don't consider her a special go-between with God, a co-redeemer of mankind, or imagine that she creates miracles by ascending into the heavens or the like. No, there's not much of a comparison there.
No way around it? There is a way around it, because you are assuming something is happening that is not happening.False. There is no comparison with that metaphor, that's ridiculous. They are worshiping that statue and there is no way around that fact.
Why did I get the feeling Mary would be brought up on this thread
Why did I get the feeling Mary would be brought up on this thread
And yet wasn't this all discussed and dealt with in the 7th Ecumenical Council, which many of you claim as well? Perhaps some homework is needed by some here:
Perhaps that is why some of the early Reformers, such as Martin Luther, viewed the RCC as being the "harlot" in Revelation
Lev 26:1
Thou shalt not make idols for yourselves, neither a carved image nor a [sacred] pillar shall you rear up for yourselves;
nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I [am] the LORD your God.
Deu 4:16
"lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,
Rev 9:20
and the rest of men, who were not killed in these plagues, neither did reform from the works of their hands,
that they may not bow before the demons and idols,
those of gold,and those of silver, and those of brass, and those of stone, and those of wood, that are neither able to see, nor to hear, nor to walk,
http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=..._nTVANrWdrn06KL57IA0oLNQ&ust=1377272778627442
Considering that you are the OP, where have you been?Why did I get the feeling Mary would be brought up on this thread
http://www.christianforums.com/t6752002-101/
Mary - Queen Of Heaven
http://www.christianforums.com/t5617198-63/
She who sits as queen, not widow, never mourns
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Believe it or not, I do have a life outside of CFConsidering that you are the OP, where have you been?
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