What does worship have to do with science?

[sjastro]

Congrats, you just flunked your preschool readiness test.

OK since you think you know better explain the mechanism in your own words.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The atmosphere. In Kabbah, the goal of spiritual practice is to elevate one's consciousness to higher levels of awareness and ultimately reach a state of unity with the Divine. The firmament, then, represents a spiritual challenge that must be overcome in order to reach this state of unity. The literal represents the divine.

Oh, the atmosphere!

Well then those lights in the firmament, they must just be alien space craft.

 

[Neutral Observer]

In Kabbah, the goal of spiritual practice is to elevate one's consciousness to higher levels of awareness

Well I have to admit that your consciousness definitely is high... I'm not sure on what though.

 

[Diamond72]

I'm not sure on what though.

Maybe high on lack of oxygen. Although I monitor it on my watch and it is in the acceptable range. Or maybe high on carbs. Otherwise I do not smoke, drink, no coffee, or any caffeine. I watch my salt and fat intake.

 

[Diamond72]

alien space craft.

I am married to an alien, does that count? I do not think she has a spaceship, she does not even drive.

You have a word out of the Bible: firmament. Because you do not know what the word means, you claim the Bible is not true. Your logic and reason leave a lot to be desired.

רָקִיעַ
firmament, sky, ductile, heaven, expanse, canopy

One of the most profoundly remarkable properties about our atmosphere is that it's transparent to not only sunlight, but to starlight as well. As we turn our eyes skyward after the Sun goes down, a glittering tapestry of planets, stars, galaxies, and nebulae illuminates the heavens. (forbes.com)

The term "planetarium canopy" may refer to the domed ceiling of a planetarium, which is typically used as a projection surface for displaying simulated images of the night sky and other celestial objects.

The first letter fresh means door. The second letter kuf means monkey or to copy or imitate. The third letter yod represents the world to come and completeness. Yod is a little that holds a lot. Then the last letter Tzadik means a servant.

• ר (resh) = 200
• ק (kuf) = 100
• י (yod) = 10
• ע (ayin) = 70

Other words with a value of 380.

Arkite --- The Phoenicians were skilled navigators and traders who traveled across the Mediterranean Sea and beyond, using the stars to guide their ships. They developed an extensive knowledge of celestial navigation and were among the first cultures to develop a system of star charts and constellations. The Phoenicians also believed that the stars had a significant influence on human affairs and worshipped various celestial deities.

 

[Neutral Observer]

Or maybe high on carbs. Otherwise I do not smoke, drink, no coffee, or any caffeine. I watch my salt and fat intake.

Ah, so I'm at least a couple up on you.

 

[Diamond72]

Ah, so I'm at least a couple up on you.

a couple of what?

 

[Hans Blaster]

You have a word out of the Bible: firmament. Because you do not know what the word means, you claim the Bible is not true. Your logic and reason leave a lot to be desired.

רָקִיעַ
firmament, sky, ductile, heaven, expanse, canopy

One of the most profoundly remarkable properties about our atmosphere is that it's transparent to not only sunlight, but to starlight as well. As we turn our eyes skyward after the Sun goes down, a glittering tapestry of planets, stars, galaxies, and nebulae illuminates the heavens. (forbes.com)

That's cool, man, but it means that the "lights in the firmament" are formed in the wrong order relative to reality.

 

[Diamond72]

That's cool, man, but it means that the "lights in the firmament" are formed in the wrong order relative to reality.

Are you talking about the literal or the figurative? Either way, the earth started out as a snowball. Also, God declares the end from the beginning, then He watches over His word to fulfill what He said He was going to do. Just like He writes the book of our life at or before conception. He gives us all of our gifts, talents, and abilities. Evolution also gives us an interesting perspective of how we are all one organism made of individual parts.

There is a lot going on in Genesis Chapter one. The Hasidic or Kabalah says all time and all mysteries. So I need to know your perspective and what you are looking at. I am sure that you are aware: In physics, the act of observing a particle can change its behavior, making it difficult to measure its properties accurately.

If you notice "God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." This was on the third day. Of course, light was on the first day. The firmament which is what we were talking about, was on the second day.

There is water above the atmosphere and water below in the sea. Then God forms dry land. The beginning of day one talks about the Earth. This is the literal bible. The beginning of time as we know it was not until the fourth day. " Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years". It is confusing in our calendar because we do not use the days, months, and years the way they do in the Hebrew calendar. This is time as we know it on Earth.

Of course, in a figurative way, nothing existed before time. At least not in the way it does now as a dichotomy. Before time we have black holes where the light does not escape. AS you know, light does not contain time. That is why we can still see the early universe at its beginning. I actually asked Gerold Schroeder about the event horizon and he did not know. Still, God is one, God is a singularity. God is infinite, we are finite. Our time is limited. We are a dichotomy of good and evil. God is light and God is good.

Isaiah 46:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, and what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.

Jeremiah 1:12 NIV
The LORD said to me, "You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled."

 

[Neutral Observer]

a couple of what?

You mentioned a number of things in which you practice abstinence or moderation.

Otherwise I do not smoke, drink, no coffee, or any caffeine. I watch my salt and fat intake.

It's these that I was referring to. I'll match you on these, and no doubt add a few more... after all, you're married, so virginity is probably out of the question.

But then again, moderation isn't as virtuous as some of its adherents would have us believe. To each their own. What's a gift for one, may be a curse for another.

You seem to believe that God has gifted you with certain insights, but there's a very thin line between genius and madness, and it's difficult to know when you've crossed it.

 

[Diamond72]

You mentioned a number of things in which you practice abstinence or moderation.

I have to, at my age, I would not be alive if I did not practice some moderation. Everytime I die and have to be revived or resuscitated God reminds me if I would live right, I would not be going through what I put myself through.

You seem to believe that God has gifted you with certain insights, but there's a very thin line between genius and madness, and it's difficult to know when you've crossed it.

I think there is a reason why God keeps me alive. We see a lot of people die young, which I fully expected to happen to me. I did not ever think I would live my life out the way I have.

People keep saying: Oh well, I am going to die someday anyways. NO, you're not going to die. You're going to get sick and maybe miserable if you do not clean your act up and fly right. 1 Corinthians 11:30 Says many are sick because of their lack of discernment. Some die an early death.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Are you talking about the literal or the figurative?

I don't really care as the text has no meaning to me. It is you that has been claiming that Gen 1 is confirmed by science, so it sounds like you are being literal here.

Either way, the earth started out as a snowball.

No. It did not.

Also, God declares the end from the beginning, then He watches over His word to fulfill what He said He was going to do. Just like He writes the book of our life at or before conception. He gives us all of our gifts, talents, and abilities. Evolution also gives us an interesting perspective of how we are all one organism made of individual parts.

There is a lot going on in Genesis Chapter one. The Hasidic or Kabalah says all time and all mysteries. So I need to know your perspective and what you are looking at. I am sure that you are aware: In physics, the act of observing a particle can change its behavior, making it difficult to measure its properties accurately.

If you notice "God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." This was on the third day. Of course, light was on the first day. The firmament which is what we were talking about, was on the second day.

There is water above the atmosphere and water below in the sea. Then God forms dry land. The beginning of day one talks about the Earth. This is the literal bible. The beginning of time as we know it was not until the fourth day. " Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years". It is confusing in our calendar because we do not use the days, months, and years the way they do in the Hebrew calendar. This is time as we know it on Earth.

Of course, in a figurative way, nothing existed before time. At least not in the way it does now as a dichotomy. Before time we have black holes where the light does not escape. AS you know, light does not contain time. That is why we can still see the early universe at its beginning. I actually asked Gerold Schroeder about the event horizon and he did not know. Still, God is one, God is a singularity. God is infinite, we are finite. Our time is limited. We are a dichotomy of good and evil. God is light and God is good.

Isaiah 46:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, and what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.

Jeremiah 1:12 NIV
The LORD said to me, "You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled."

TL; DR. Mostly theology, not interested.

 

[Diamond72]

I don't really care as the text has no meaning to me.

Ok, that is fine, so I do not have to put anymore effort into this. That is good.

it sounds like you are being literal here.

Yes, from your perspective, we have to look at a literal Bible. Of course, that means a literal 24-hour day.

. I personally tend to be more of a dispensationalist.

No. It did not.

We just came out of an ice age 12,000 years ago.,

 

[Hans Blaster]

We just came out of an ice age 12,000 years ago.,

Technically, we are still *in* an ice age with glacial minima and maxima. 12000 years ago was the last glacial maximum (LGM). We are currently in a glacial minimum.

The early earth was not, contrary to you claim, an ice ball.

 

[Diamond72]

OK since you think you know better explain the mechanism in your own words.

I explain this a lot. My brother has a Ph.D. in Psychology. He wrote his dissertation on a preschool readiness test. My dad was a pediatrician and he used my brother's test to test his patients to see if they were ready for school. Two of the questions on the test were what color is grass and what color is the sky. I have a copy of it around here somewhere. There were a total of five questions. There is a lot more to it, but that is enough for now.

 

[Diamond72]

Technically, we are still *in* an ice age with glacial minima and maxima.

Oh, so now you do believe in ice ages.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Oh, so now you do believe in ice ages.

Ice ages where never in doubt. Just your statements about history.

 

[Diamond72]

Just your statements about history.

What statement is that? There have been five major ice ages: the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, Karoo, and Quaternary glaciation (the most recent one).

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What statement is that? There have been five major ice ages: the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, Karoo, and Quaternary glaciation (the most recent one).

Your statements speak for themselves.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What statement is that? There have been five major ice ages: the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, Karoo, and Quaternary glaciation (the most recent one).

And yet I've never seen you use *ANY* of those terms in a single post on anything.

Let's be clear: The earth did not start out covered with ice as you recently claimed.

(Nor is an ice age a "flood" as you claimed earlier.)