What does the word "perfect" or perfected, or perfection mean by original languages in...

[Neogaia777]

The problem people have with text is due to their lack of understanding and reliance upon the gospel. Stop trying to justify yourself, and you won't have an issue with this text. Christ demands perfection. That is true, and it always has been true. The only way we make it, is in Him. Look at yourself in the mirror after reading, "be perfect", and you will do one of three things: beg for mercy; fool yourself into believing you are prefect, or lower the bar of God's standards.

Begging for mercy, often turns into acknowledging him and lowering yourself before him and humbly asking his forgiveness when your more mature...

God Bless!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Good question yeshuaslavejeff !

...and I will DO what JESUS (his WORD) said / says to do. I won't beg, fool myself, nor lower the bar.

James 1 :
[22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
[23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

No one will see the Kingdom of God without His mercy. Like Peter, many are too proud to let Jesus wash their feet; however, if they don't, He will have nothing to do with them.

We can't walk into glory on our own two feet. We must be carried in by our Savior.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Begging for mercy, often turns into acknowledging him and lowering yourself before him and humbly asking his forgiveness when your more mature...

God Bless!

As a wise man once said, when explaining how to come to Christ, "The only think you need, is need, but few people have it".

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE=]No one will see the Kingdom of God without His mercy[/QUOTE
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Where is this in SCRIPTURE ?

Note that
no one even sees earth without God's Mercy.

And ,
only the pure in heart will ever see heaven.
Even the impure, wicked and sinful can see earth.

And,
God resists the proud,
and gives grace to the humble.

 

[Neogaia777]

As a wise man once said, when explaining how to come to Christ, "The only think you need, is need, but few people have it".

Yes, I kinda think it begins most often by needing him and seeking a relationship with him, and that relationship grows and deepens by continuing to need him and having him or his/their spirit in your life... And the rewards or fruit of this is extraordinary...

God Bless!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Yes, I kinda think it begins most often by needing him and seeking a relationship with him, and that relationship grows and deepens by continuing to need him and having him or his/their spirit in your life... And the rewards or fruit of this is extraordinary...

God Bless!

"I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing."

 

[lincomen]

We can't walk into glory on our own two feet. We must be carried in by our Savior.

There's NO scripture for that! Not even close...
1 Corinthians 6:
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

YOU NEED MORE THAN YOUR FEET WASHED!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

There's NO scripture for that! Not even close...
1 Corinthians 6:
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

YOU NEED MORE THAN YOUR FEET WASHED!

If you are relying upon your own righteousness to be acceptable to God, then Christ is of no use to you. There IS a scripture for that: I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. Gal 2:21

Oh, and yes, there is is much scriptural backing for my original post: For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20

 

[lincomen]

If you

No 'if' in me...
Now you have gone completely off topic... BUT you can quote scripture (out of context) to justify your sin, while trying to judge someone.

Why not quote verse 20 before you quote verse 21?

Quote it, believe it, live it, and glorify Christ with it!

Galatians 2:
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Let's talk about being perfected... in Christ. Thanks be to my God! Master and Creator. Lord and Savior.

 

[Neogaia777]

No 'if' in me...
Now you have gone completely off topic... BUT you can quote scripture (out of context) to justify your sin, while trying to judge someone.

Why not quote verse 20 before you quote verse 21?

Quote it, believe it, live it, and glorify Christ with it!

Galatians 2:
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Let's talk about being perfected... in Christ. Thanks be to my God! Master and Creator. Lord and Savior.

What does verse 20 have to do with verse 21...?

And which book, Galatians or Romans...?

God Bless!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

No 'if' in me...
Now you have gone completely off topic... BUT you can quote scripture (out of context) to justify your sin, while trying to judge someone.

Why not quote verse 20 before you quote verse 21?

Quote it, believe it, live it, and glorify Christ with it!

Galatians 2:
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Let's talk about being perfected... in Christ. Thanks be to my God! Master and Creator. Lord and Savior.

Why did Christ die? We already had the law, and obviously, you obey it perfectly, so why did Christ die?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

No 'if' in me...

So, if I'm clear, you are relying upon your righteousness in order to be acceptable to God. Am I correct?

 

[Winken]

What does the word "perfect" or perfected, or perfection mean by original languages in scripture, and by God's definition of the word...?

How can we be perfect but different...?

Does God define perfect differently from any language we have and know of...?

What is perfect...?

Lastly, how do you define perfect...?

Comments...? Discussion...?

Peace,

God Bless!

There is only One perfect: Jesus. Being Spiritually birthed gifts each authentic Believer with Christian Perfection. We enter Heaven perfect in Him. The Bible-writers have adjusted it to "being mature." Not the same!

 

[RDKirk]

Why did Christ die? We already had the law, and obviously, you obey it perfectly, so why did Christ die?

The Mosaic Law could be obeyed perfectly. It wasn't too hard to do--even God said so.

But the Mosaic Law was not God's perfect law, and God never said that obedience to the Mosaic Law would obligate Him to give them eternal life.

You know that, though.

 

[RDKirk]

There is only One perfect: Jesus. Being Spiritually birthed gifts each authentic Believer with Christian Perfection. We enter Heaven perfect in Him. The Bible-writers have adjusted it to "being mature." Not the same!

No, the men who wrote the scripture wrote teleios, and the meaning of that had been known since Plato.

It's been people since then that have enlarged the meaning to some concept aside from that which the men who wrote the bible intended by using teleios.

 

[lincomen]

What does verse 20 have to do with verse 21...?

You just can't throw verse 21 around without a clear and concise understanding of the preceding verse (20).

And which book? Galatians 2:20 + 21

Those two verses, along with the other list I included earlier, all point a believer to perfection, in Christ, by Christ, for Christ, and because of Christ... no other way, and no other reason but for the glory of God.

 

[lincomen]

So, if I'm clear, you are relying upon your righteousness in order to be acceptable to God. Am I correct?

No! You are not correct!
Keep reading Galatians 2:20 over and over again until the sanctification of your salvation becomes clear, and the veil of false religion lifts from your eyes!
Galatians 2:
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Here's another verse :
2 Corinthians 7:
[1] Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from ALL filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

No! You are not correct!
Keep reading Galatians 2:20 over and over again until the sanctification of your salvation becomes clear, and the veil of false religion lifts from your eyes!
Galatians 2:
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Here's another verse :
2 Corinthians 7:
[1] Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from ALL filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

I'm a Christian. No "false religion" here. As such, my hope is found in Him and Him alone. He lived a perfect life on my behalf, and He died a sinner's death on my behalf. By faith, both of those realities are mine, and anyone else who desires them may freely partake; however, not many do because they have no need.

 

[Neogaia777]

No! You are not correct!
Keep reading Galatians 2:20 over and over again until the sanctification of your salvation becomes clear, and the veil of false religion lifts from your eyes!
Galatians 2:
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Here's another verse :
2 Corinthians 7:
[1] Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from ALL filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

What does "until the sanctification of your salvation" even mean...? What is the "sanctification of your salvation"...? How can a thing sanctify another thing...?

Could you clarify...?

God Bless!

 

[lincomen]

What does "until the sanctification of your salvation" even mean...? What is the "sanctification of your salvation"...? How can a thing sanctify another thing...?

Could you clarify...?

That your salvation be truly of God, and not founded on man-made theories or concepts based on false religion. Beware when people write things that are not from scripture, the truth, or the word.
Ex. "I think..." "IMHO..." etc... People make up a lot of stuff that becomes vain philosophy and bad religion, with no biblical foundation that will lead you astray from God.

Sanctify :
verb
set apart as or declare holy; consecrate
• (often be sanctified) make legitimate or binding by religious sanction
• free from sin; purify.
• (often be sanctified) being right or good; legitimize

JESUS said as He prayed to He Father for us,
John 17 :
[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
[19] And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Ephesians 5:
[26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it (the church) with the washing of water by the word,

1 Thessalonians 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.