What does it mean for God to "exist"?

[Asvin]

Time is more than just a concept. we can measure things with time. We can say that time is required for any thing to exist.



Ok, how bout the comfy chair?

So time is an object? You can use time to measure things just like you would use a ruler to measure the length of something? REALLY? WOW!

"We can say that time is required for any thing to exist."

I can say that I can fly. No point in making absurd, irrational claims, is there?

Chairs scare me

 

[Michael]

A thing is said to exist if it has shape and a location. It is said to be an object and it is physical. A car exists because it has a static distance from other objects (which is its location) and has space to give it contour. This is the definition I use to determine if actual physical objects exist.

Concepts like love, justice, running, mercy, morality, evil, god, satan, religion, afterlife, motion, etc. aren't objects because they lack shape and location. Can you draw me justice or love? NO! These are man-made ideas. God is a man-made idea.

Please define the word "exist" or "exists" unambiguously and explain how God exists. Is he an object (therefore having location and shape) or is he a concept (therefore being man-made) ?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7440288/

 

[Asvin]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7440288/

Can you please define the word "exist" first.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you please define the word "exist" first.

Bill Clinton It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is - YouTube

 

[Asvin]

Bill Clinton It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is - YouTube

So you define exist as "it depends on what the meaning of the word is"?

So when you say god exists, do you mean that god depends on what the meaning of the word is? I don't even know what that means!!

OR

You can answer the dang question in an unambiguous rational manner.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you define exist as "it depends on what the meaning of the word is"?

I define "exists" by the context of the sentence it is used in.

You can answer the dang question in an unambiguous rational manner.

God is as real as a sunshiny day.

 

[juvenissun]

Couldn't you derive a scientific test to determine if the girlfriend exists independent of any relationship?

stupid test. you can "see" her.

 

[juvenissun]

The relationship exists in the minds of my girlfriend and me. I recognize my love for her and her love for me and she recognizes her love for me and my love for her. These are the products of the mind, which are known as concepts. Love is a concept. It is not physical. When you say "That thing exists." what are you referring to? Does that thing exist in the physical world, in the minds of people, or outside the universe?

To get back to my OP, is god a concept or an object? Remember, all objects are physical and all concepts are the products of human minds.

Something you think about or you feel about may not be the product of you. You feel a light is "bright". That is your reaction, not your product. You love this girl, but not that girl. It is not your product, but is your reaction. Something (real) stimulated you, and you have a feeling about it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Something you think about or you feel about may not be the product of you. You feel a light is "bright". That is your reaction, not your product.

I think Asvin would make a good politician, eh?

 

[Asvin]

I define "exists" by the context of the sentence it is used in.

God is as real as a sunshiny day.

So you define "exists" to agree with whatever you have in your mind in each case.

 

[Asvin]

Something you think about or you feel about may not be the product of you. You feel a light is "bright". That is your reaction, not your product. You love this girl, but not that girl. It is not your product, but is your reaction. Something (real) stimulated you, and you have a feeling about it.

Anything I think about IS the product of my brain. They are known as concepts. I agree that other things can have an impact on me, but what does that have anything to do with the existence of god or your irrational claim that love exists?

 

[Asvin]

I think Asvin would make a good politician, eh?

I'm not that american.

 

[Loudmouth]

God is as real as a sunshiny day.

On a sunshiny day we can empirically measure photons and particles being hurled at the Earth by the Sun. We can also measure the nature of the Sun itself using empirical methods. So where is the empirical measurements for God?

 

[Loudmouth]

stupid test. you can "see" her.

That's my point. So why can't we see God in the same way if God exists like a girlfriend does?

 

[AV1611VET]

I define "exists" by the context of the sentence it is used in.

So you define "exists" to agree with whatever you have in your mind in each case.

No.

I define "exists" by the context of the sentence it is used in.

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Definition of EXIST

1. a : to have real being whether material or spiritual <did unicorns exist> <the largest galaxy known to exist>
b : to have being in a specified place or with respect to understood limitations or conditions <strange ideas existed in his mind>

2. to continue to be <racism still exists in society>

3. a : to have life or the functions of vitality <we cannot exist without oxygen>
b : to live at an inferior level or under adverse circumstances <the hungry existing from day to day>

 

[Asvin]

No.

I define "exists" by the context of the sentence it is used in.

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

What does "to have real being" mean in part a of your first definition?

 

[AV1611VET]

What does "to have real being" mean in part a of your first definition?

It means to walk the earth as God incarnate, die on a cross and resurrect the third day.

 

[Asvin]

It means to walk the earth as God incarnate, die on a cross and resurrect the third day.

Did I do that as well? Can't remember!

 

[AV1611VET]

Did I do that as well? Can't remember!

It was done for you.

 

[Asvin]

It was done for you.

Not the same as me doing it. Me walking and you walking "for me" are two different things!