What Does Daniel Prophecy Mean By He Will Think to Change Times and Laws

[Brian Mcnamee]

Hi in Daniel 7 he continues and give specific other events and a timeline that give the passage a more specific context which rules out the old interpretation of changing the 10 commandments which can be debated as a separate issue. Read on in Dan 7 the next couple verse changes everything as 3 specifics are related including one that is a time table.
‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.

This additional information shows that the one speaking the pompous words will persecute the saints of the most high for a specific duration of a times times and half a time. Then the dominion of this evil one will be taken away and the everlasting kingdom is set up. This has nothing to do with changing the 10 commandments.

Rev 13 mirrors this passage.
Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[fn] for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[fn] tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

If you compare Dan 7 and Rev 13 you see both the time line and the actions being identical. A times times and half a time is a year two years and half a year of 3 and 1/2 years. This is the same as 42 months. Dan says the dominion is taken away from the one who blasphemes after the 42 month where he persecutes the saint of the most high. this is the same timeline in Rev with the same objectives. In the middle of the week Rev 13 goes on to show that from this mid point with 42 moths to go this is when the mark of the beast and the image of the beast takes place where one has to worship the beast and have the mark to buy or sell. This is a change in times and laws. There is much more prophecy that can be correlated but if you sit and compare rev 13 to Daniel 7 you have a match which is amazing.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

That's abunch of balony. I know the Protestants love to demonize their fellow Catholic brothers and sisters,...anf I know they work very hard at misleading people...like you and Dougg. But Rome IS NOT found in ONE verse of end-time prophecy.

there is a verse in Rev that can perhaps identify with Rome as the woman in Rev 17 which is the mother of all harlots. “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. The word for mountain is 5 times in the new testament translated hills. Rome is the city on 7 hills. This may be loose but it does make a certain tie in. The thing about Catholics even many of their own prophets speak of an antipope at the time of end. I have studied the Malachi prophecy and also ST Francis of Asssisi said this
Act bravely, my Brethren; take courage, and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.

The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death.

Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.

There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.

Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.

Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head [Jesus Christ], these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish [physically] rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.

Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.

(Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis Of Assisi [London: R. Washbourne, 1882], pp. 248-250; underlining and paragraph breaks added.)

Pope Francis now is actively trying to merge the religions of the world and teaches a social gospel and promotes a one world order agenda.

 

[jgr]

so who is HE and speaking great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High is he?

"For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." (Catechism 882).

"You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on the earth." (Pope Pius XI, April 30 1922)

Wearing out the saints

 

[Revealing Times]

The prophecy in Daniel 7:25 states that the little horn power will think to change the times and laws. Some believe that this refers to the papacy changing and combining Ten Commandments and changing the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday which they take credit for.

What do you think Daniel intended by this prophecy?

It has nothing to do with the RCC or Papacy.

What will the Anti-Christ/BEAST/Little Horn seek to do when he comes to power? He will of course seek to be "Worshiped as GOD" and he will destroy all Religions. So we have our base, now we need to go forth from there.

A.D. (Anno Domini or In the Year of our Lord) So changing Times in my opinion will be this Little Horn/BEAST changing the Calendar to YEAR ONE in the Year of (ANTI-CHRISTS NAME). New Calendar.

As per changing Laws, well that goes without saying, most dictators do that. Hitler Confiscated all the guns to start with and propagandized the children. So many laws will be changed, I imagine Gabriel is revealing unto Daniel the things that this BEAST will do to Israel, so what Laws will he change? Well expressly outlawing any observance to ANY GOD except him is a start. ETC. ETC. Of course many laws could changed. But some are just assumed.

This to me is obvious.

 

[Douggg]

It depends. Some see the two witnesses as symbolic as well.

The 1260 days, the time, times, half times, the 42 months are elements within the 7 years of the confirms the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

The confirms the covenant for 7 years is found in Deuteronomy 31:9-13. Moses was the first to confirm the covenant for 7 years.

How does 1260 days as 1260 years fit into 7 years?

 

[Instrument150]

The prophecy in Daniel 7:25 states that the little horn power will think to change the times and laws. Some believe that this refers to the papacy changing and combining Ten Commandments and changing the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday which they take credit for.

What do you think Daniel intended by this prophecy?

Could also mean that the devil developed a time machine, and he keeps going back in time trying to do things differently over and over and over to actually beat God, but it never works. But I doubt it.

No the only reason I say that though is because upon hearing that verse, and noticing all of the time travel in pop culture.... I wonder if that isn't at least something that would love to be attempted. It could also just be in the media to make us think that any old speedster can just buck the laws of time, thus desensitizing us to perceiving God's power over time.

But I digress

 

[Douggg]

As per your reference, Ezekiel 4:4-6 articulates the year/day principle. Christ also used it in Luke 13:32. The 3 1/2 quantity which is its basis is found in Daniel 7:25. The papacy's lifespan of 1260 years from 538 to 1798 AD supports the validity of the extrapolation.

1260 years fits into 7 years? Daniel 9:27.

 

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[miamited]

The prophecy in Daniel 7:25 states that the little horn power will think to change the times and laws. Some believe that this refers to the papacy changing and combining Ten Commandments and changing the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday which they take credit for.

What do you think Daniel intended by this prophecy?

Hi CDF,

As with pretty much all the prophecies found in the Scriptures, man generally has at least a couple of understandings of just what exactly they are intended to show us and how they were or will be fulfilled.

So, let's look at the possibility that this prophecy is a prophecy against the organization known to most of us as the 'papacy'. First of all, we are told that it will be a 'little horn'. Most godly people who study the Scriptures are in agreement that this little horn will be a ruler/leader of some kind. However, whether it refers to a specific and individual person or some sort of governing body is debatable. The Scriptures speak of nations as being governing organizations that outlive just one single ruling individual. So, this little horn could be seen as some governing body rather than an individual. The papacy would qualify under such an understanding and so we would look over the entire existence of the papacy rather than honing in on just one single pope.

Throughout the existence of the papacy there have certainly been determinations made that would qualify, to most of us, as 'changing times'. Constantine is most often seen as the first person who claimed to be a part of the Catholic organization to do this:

Constantine named himself Bishop of the Catholic Church and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance in A.D. 321.

"On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost." —Schaff’s History of the Christian Church, vol. III, chap. 75.

Notice that he not only determined that Sunday should be the 'day of rest', but also exempted farming as 'work'. Neither of these two understandings are in agreement with what we are told, through the Scriptures, as the 'law of Sabbath'. I think it good to point out at this time that God's 'law of Sabbath' doesn't seem to be about worship, but about rest. Therefore, I have no problem with Christians desiring to hold their corporate worship services on Sunday, but determining that now Sunday is the 'day of rest' would be a changing of times.

What about Easter? The word 'Easter' found in the book of the Acts of the Apostles is actually a translation of the word 'pasach', which is the Greek word to refer to 'passover'. So, it would seem that in the days when King Herod held Peter in prison, his intention was to hold him in prison until after the days of the Jewish passover. However, the Jewish passover actually came at different times every year according to the calendar that was then in use, and so, by tying Jesus death and resurrection to the practice of the passover, we aren't really celebrating the 'day' that Jesus was crucified and resurrected in the year that it actually happened. This could well be seen as another example of changing times and the celebration of Easter does seem to have originated with the practices of the Catholic organization. Just the fact that the word 'pasach' was translated as 'Easter' very likely comes from the practice that was fairly well established in the days of the King James translation work as the celebration begun by the Catholic organization. Many translations do actually translate this word in the above mentioned passage as 'passover'.

What about laws? Well, as mentioned above, the law of the Sabbath does seem to have been changed when Constantine exempted farming as 'work'. In the days in which the Sabbath was instituted by God, many, many people held as their work, the raising of crops and herds. Did God mean to infer that those people could still go out in their fields and do their normal duties on the Sabbath? Or, did God mean that even the farmers were to stop and rest and leave their fields in honor of the Sabbath? The Jews did seem to think the later since they accused David's men of breaking the Sabbath when his soldiers were found to glean from a field on the Sabbath. Constantine seems to have determined that because the crops and herds still needed care on that day, that they should be exempted. The Jews seemed to have understood that one day of rest wasn't going to kill either the crops or the herds.

What about marriage? God's intention for marriage seems to have been a lifelong commitment and there doesn't seem to be any instruction that such a marriage had to be performed in some certain way or by some certain personage in order to be valid. The Catholic organization seems to have changed that law. There understanding of a 'valid' marriage is that it must be performed under the auspices of a Catholic personage in order to be valid. That a couple can live together as a married couple for sometimes years, but it can later be determined that because their marriage wasn't performed as per their requirements, their marriage never existed. Is that what God intended when He said that for this reason a man shall leave his family and cleave unto his wife and she unto him, until death do they part? In the Jewish community there never seemed to be such an understanding of marriage. While the Scriptures do speak quite a bit of divorce, and the condemnation thereof, we never see that there were marriages that were not considered to be proper marriages. Would this be a change in the law of marriage?

There are actually, as I understand it, quite a few such 'changes' made to God's law in the practice of religion within the Catholic organization. So, each one must determine for themselves; do the practices of the Catholic organization change times and laws? Further, even if we believe that such practices do change times and laws, according to the Scriptures, does that then mean that such an organization is the 'little horn'?

What all does the prophecy given unto Daniel tell us?

“After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns."

This beast is identified as having 'large iron teeth'. What is that supposed to intend to us? That this beast also was terrifying and frightening and very powerful and crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. Can this be describing the Roman government? It's seemingly relentless work of conquering the known world in that day? Roman power and authority stretched from western Europe (what is now known as the UK) in the north, to the most northern provinces of the African continent to the south and all around the area of the Mediterranean sea. It became the largest single governing empire that the world had ever known up to that point and arguably ever has been as regards its imprint on many of today's governing bodies. The laws and practices of the Roman empire can still today be found in many governments. However, among that great mass of land and people, there were assigned rulers of smaller parts of it. Could that be the 'ten horns'?

"The Roman Empire was among the most powerful economic, cultural, political and military forces in the world of its time. It was one of the largest empires in world history. At its height under Trajan, it covered 5 million square kilometres. It held sway over an estimated 70 million people, at that time 21% of the world's entire population." (source: Wikipedia)

So, according to this prophecy, out of that 'beast' would come 'ten horns', and among them would come a 'little horn'.

"It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns. “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully."

Admittedly, this is open to various interpretations. Who or what were the ten horns? Who or what is the little horn? Who or what were the three horns that were uprooted? However, the description of the little horn says that it had the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully. That would seem to infer that it was of man and spoke too greatly about itself. Is it possible that this describes the rise of the RCC? That the papacy is a ruled by a mere man and that the organization speaks so very, very greatly about itself? That the inference of its having the eyes of a man, means that it sees as man sees and not as God sees, although boasting of itself to be able to see as God sees?

This is an understanding that each one must weigh and determine for themselves, but I can see where such an analogy can be drawn.

God bless you.
In Christ, ted

 

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[Brian Mcnamee]

I don't see Rome anywhere in the verses you've quoted. Nice try though.
There are ways of determining if the word 'hill or mountain' should be used. This time the KJV has MOUNTAIN translated right. Rome isn't a city of seven mountains, it's a city of 8 hills. Babylon the Great is simply, a large false religion. NOT ROME! Catholics aren't committing the abominations of the earth today, Muslims are. The mother of harlots means Islam gave birth to terrorism, jihadism. A harlot in that context gave birth to the jihadist! The harlot is said to 'sit upon' the beast. SIT UPON means to occupy indicating that Islam will be the dominate religion of the beast. NOT ROME, NOT THE EU, NOT ISRAEL, NOT THE USA!

"Islam, Babylon the Great the mother of jihadist and abominations of the earth."

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Not all abominations are physical. The false prophet is going to merge the worlds religions and promote a one world government. The Pope is advancing this agenda and he has plenty of help from the likes of Rick Warren and other evangelicals who are advancing the same agenda. You recognize the evil of Islamic gihad and see this pope promoting open borders in every country. We can see this is not melting the needy into the societies where they are entering but it is like giving your self cancer intentionally. Sweden has taken many immigrants and those there over 2 years less than 2 percent have jobs. There are over 300 no go zones for Swedish nationals in their own country where it is not safe for them. The crime rate is soaring from crimes committed by immigrants. As this group gets larger their political voice will get larger and there tactic is to use intimidation to get concessions. Meanwhile the Pope Warren and others do not preach Jesus Christ to them but preach acceptance inclusion and tolerance. They are subtly promoting the abomination that Jesus is not the only way to the Father and salvation can be found in whatever tradition you come from.

 

[Douggg]

You already have it all figured out. Only a very ignorant uninformed person, Atheist or Christian, would believe that Daniel can prophesy about a kingdom RISING that had risen 50 years before. Thousands of people have acknowledged this Protestant BLUNDER you've accepted and CHANGED THEIR MIND. AND! You don't know the proper definition and usage of the word 'BEFORE', which proves ALL FOUR BEAST IN DANIEL 7 ARE FUTURE. And all you do is keep twisting scripture and what I say.

The starting point was the Babylonian Empire, because it was the present Empire ruling at the time of Belshazzar king of Babylon when Daniel has the vision. Nebuchadnezzar was identified with the head of gold in Daniel 2. Which Nebuchadnezzar was the most notable king of the Babylonian Empire.

In Daniel 7:17, there were going to be four notable kings associated with those empires, when history is completed. Nebuchadnezzar - babylon, Cyrus - Medes/Persians, Alexander - Greeks, little horn person - Roman Empire.

btw, I am not a protestant, but non-denominatioal. You could categorize me as a non-Catholics. All non-Catholic are not protestants.

that's what makes Daniel a false prophet, and you and the others, very misled.

Jesus called Daniel a prophet. That's it. Daniel is a prophet.

 

[Douggg]

I don't call myself a Christian anymore,

Really? You are ashamed to be called a Christian, someone who believes in Christ?

 

[Douggg]

I don't see Rome anywhere in the verses you've quoted.

But you read the word Islam and muslim all through the bible ? Really?

John 19:
4 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

Was Caesar related to the Roman Empire?

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The "one is", the sixth king, ruling at the time John received Revelation - was he a Caesar? Yes.

Prior to that Caesar, was he preceded by five other Caesars? Yes,

Julius Caesar
Augustus Caesar
Tiberius
Caligula
Claudius

Nero - number six Julio-Claudian.

The one yet to come will be of the Julio-Claudian bloodline, the Caesars, which are tied to the Roman Empire.

No muslims in that series. Can you believe it?

 

[CDF47]

I'm not trying to cause trouble. Argument is good if kept civil. But hear me out for a minute.

I don't think Christian's realize the harm they do to themselves as a unit, or the cause of Jesus Christ when they badmouth Catholics. To unbelievers across the world, the Pope is viewed as the symbol of Christianity. I have several friends and a family full of Catholics, and I'm not going to sit by as you people demonize them. Regardless of what sect you're in, you can dig dirt on anyone, and there's heresy and bad in every church. Labeling Catholicism as the beast is how Protestants build themselves up.

I've been asking people for 15 years to quote ONE verse of end-time prophecy implicating Rome in any way. NOT ONE person has ever quoted ONE verse! I know why people refuse to accept that truth, and I can't truthfully repeat it. It's discouraging to see the church in such a self demonizing slanderous condition. I know God is disappointed in it, and often wonder what I'm doing in it.

And that makes Daniel a false prophet. The surprising thing is, people don't care. Babylon rose 50 years before Daniel prophesied it making him a wanna be false prophet. Atheist Kyle Williams loves you guys. He knows better than you guys the qualifications of a prophet. You guys don't care.

Daniel is one of the best prophets in history. He was under Babylon rule during his prophecy.

I was Catholic for 35 years. I attended Catholic school, I was baptized Catholic, I made my Communion, and Confirmation. Nearly my entire family and friends are Catholic. 3 years ago I realized the papacy is the little horn of David and the Beast of Revelation so I left the church and explained it to others. It is clear in the prophesies when the symbols are understood.

 

[jgr]

the Pope doesn't speak great words against the most high.

Pius IX was described as "the living Christ", and "the Lamb of the Vatican".

Pius X said: "The Pope...is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh."

Pius XI, on 30 April 1922, in the Vatican throne room, said: "You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on the earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on the earth."

The Canon Law in the Gloss on the Extravaganza of John XXII, AD 1316-1334, calls the Roman pontiff "Our Lord God the Pope."

Martin V was addressed as: "The most holy and most blessed, who holds the celestial jurisdiction, who is Lord over all the earth...the anointed...the ruler of the universe, the father of kings, the Light of the World."

During the Vatican Council, 9 January 1870, it was stated: "The Pope is Christ in office, Christ in jurisdiction and power...we bow down before thy voice, O Pius, as before the voice of Christ, the God of truth; in clinging to thee, we cling to Christ."

The Roman Catholic theologian Thomas Aquinas said: "There is no difference between the Pope and Jesus Christ."

Cardinal Henry Edward Manning said: "He [the Roman pope] was elevated to be, in his Divine Master's Name, King of kings and Lord of lords."

“All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17 Bellarmine (1542-1621), a professor and rector at the Jesuit Gregorian University in Rome, is generally considered to have been one of the outstanding Jesuit instructors in the history of this organization.

“The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as Kind of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II” (Ferraris was an Italian Catholic canonist and consultor to the Holy Office in Rome.)

“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.