What Does Daniel Prophecy Mean By He Will Think to Change Times and Laws

[CDF47]

So you've accepted the teachings of that web site line, hook, and sinker. No wonder why so many Christians today can't get much of anything right!

No, I studied it in depth. Quit trolling.

 

[Douggg]

The entire page points to the papacy. The papacy is the only institution which fits all the requirements of the prophecies for the little horn of Daniel and the first beast of revelation.

SDA have to change the timeframes given in days to years to make their view fit.

 

[Douggg]

You keep saying the anti-Christ must be a King of Israel out of Judaism. You believe it yet you say there's not one verse that implies that. Now that's what I call senseless hermeneutics.

It was commonly understood to be another person the Jews would embrace as their messiah, King of Israel back in the first century.

Them in 1John2:18 were already aware that antichrist was coming. They didn't have to ask what antichrist meant. Based on them already understanding that the antichrist would be king of Israel - as the Jews had crucified Jesus rejecting him as their King , John said there were many antichrists already present, likening them who were leaving Christianity, denying Jesus as being the Christ, as "antichrists"

What does "Christ" mean?

Antichrist is not "a" King of Israel. "the" messiah, is one specific promised King of Israel. There is one specific King of Israel, pertaining to "the" messiah.

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[Hal A Peno]

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[Douggg]

How can the lion be Babylon when the date of the vision occurred in the first year of Belshazzar who was the last king of Babylon?

Because Daniel 7 corresponds to Daniel 2 which Nebuchadnezzar is identified as the head of gold.

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[Douggg]

Stop complaining. I can post on this thread if I want. If you can't handle it, get out. I'm not trolling. I don't like that Christians today blame all of the end-time evils on themselves. Look at jgr and several others who say the men of sin come from within the church. That's 100% blasphemy. You demonize you Catholic brothers and sisters, you do wrong.

We are free to post - but within the forum and site rules. Starting an argument attacking others personally is a nn-no.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 7 doesn't correspond to Daniel 2. God must have made a mistake in Daniel's vision of the great statue where the same message needed to be repeated in a completely different vision. Daniel 2 is about ancient empires , Daniel 7 is about future, end-time empires.

Additional information is provided in Daniel 7 that is not in Daniel 2. Additonal information is given futher in Daniel 8. All three, Daniel 2, Daniel 7, Daniel 8 have the greek kingdom, the medes'persians kingdom. Which are ancient empires.

 

[CDF47]

SDA have to change the timeframes given in days to years to make their view fit.

There is a Bible verse that states a day is a year. They use this as a prophetic year.

 

[CDF47]

Stop complaining. I can post on this thread if I want. If you can't handle it, get out. I'm not trolling. I don't like that Christians today blame all of the end-time evils on themselves. Look at jgr and several others who say the men of sin come from within the church. That's 100% blasphemy. You demonize you Catholic brothers and sisters, you do wrong.

I am not talking about the people in the Catholic system, I am talking about the system of Catholicism and the office of pope. It is the system of antichrists.

 

[CDF47]

Additional information is provided in Daniel 7 that is not in Daniel 2. Additonal information is given futher in Daniel 8. All three, Daniel 2, Daniel 7, Daniel 8 have the greek kingdom, the medes'persians kingdom. Which are ancient empires.

Agreed

 

[Douggg]

There is a Bible verse that states a day is a year. They use this as a prophetic year.

Yes back in Ezekiel, he was told to lay on his side so many days, each day it says in the days represent years.

But the SDA application fails when one considers that they consider the 1260 days as 1260 years - the proof they are wrong is in Revelation 11 the 1260 days of the two witnesses is followed by them laying dead in streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 days. Does that sound reasonable that the 3 1/2 days be 3 1/2 years?

 

[CDF47]

Yes back in Ezekiel, he was told to lay on his side so many days, each day it says in the days represent years.

But the SDA application fails when one considers that they consider the 1260 days as 1260 years - the proof they are wrong is in Revelation 11 the 1260 days of the two witnesses is followed by them laying dead in streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 days. Does that sound reasonable that the 3 1/2 days be 3 1/2 years?

It depends. Some see the two witnesses as symbolic as well.

 

[Hal A Peno]

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[Douggg]

I'm not trying to cause trouble. Argument is good if kept civil. But hear me out for a minute.

I don't think Christian's realize the harm they do to themselves as a unit, or the cause of Jesus Christ when they badmouth Catholics. To unbelievers across the world, the Pope is viewed as the symbol of Christianity. I have several friends and a family full of Catholics, and I'm not going to sit by as you people demonize them. Regardless of what sect you're in, you can dig dirt on anyone, and there's heresy and bad in every church. Labeling Catholicism as the beast is how Protestants build themselves up.

It was the tone of your post. You were lecturing. If you feel that the position of someone regarding the Papacy as the Antichrist and the RCC perhaps mystery Babylon the great - expressing that view is breaking of the rules of the site, there is a report link in the lower left corner of the post. Click on that and inform the moderators.

 

[Douggg]

And that makes Daniel a false prophet. The surprising thing is, people don't care. Babylon rose 50 years before Daniel prophesied it making him a wanna be false prophet. Atheist Kyle Williams loves you guys. He knows better than you guys the qualifications of a prophet. You guys don't care.

So unless people understand Daniel the way you do - that makes Daniel a false prophet? In essence, that's what you are implying, isn't it?

Kyle Williams does not know more than the person who said this....
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand......

Do you know the Jews (Judaism) don't consider Daniel a prophet? They are wrong, but have interpreted their own definition of a prophet - navi. In their Tanach, Daniel is listed under scriptures, not prophets.
They divide the Tanach up into Torah - the Pentateuch, Nevi'im - the Prophets, K'trunm - the Scriptures. Which is what the acronym Tanach is based on.
The Complete Tanach with Rashi's Commentary - English translation with Rashi's commentary

Kyle Williams is probably getting his information from Jewish sources. Which are clueless regarding the end times and Daniel being a prophet. Jesus is the Almighty and if He says Daniel is a prophet - Daniel is a prophet.

I have discussed with the Jews at their sites 6000 posts, thereabout, learning what they believe, since back in the early 2000's. And still active today.

Do you know that Jesus described the books (now part of their Tanach) in similitude?

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luke 24:44-48 is the beginning of Christianity.

 

[jgr]

Stop complaining. I can post on this thread if I want. If you can't handle it, get out. I'm not trolling. I don't like that Christians today blame all of the end-time evils on themselves. Look at jgr and several others who say the men of sin come from within the church. That's 100% blasphemy. You demonize your Catholic brothers and sisters, you do wrong.

A word of warning; blasphemy is an extremely serious accusation, and its abuse on these threads and forums is sufficient to get you permanently jettisoned. So be discreet, judicious, and respectful; and behave yourself; and you'll survive to post another day. Otherwise, prepare for ejection.

 

[jgr]

But the SDA application fails when one considers that they consider the 1260 days as 1260 years - the proof they are wrong is in Revelation 11 the 1260 days of the two witnesses is followed by them laying dead in streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 days. Does that sound reasonable that the 3 1/2 days be 3 1/2 years?

As per your reference, Ezekiel 4:4-6 articulates the year/day principle. Christ also used it in Luke 13:32. The 3 1/2 quantity which is its basis is found in Daniel 7:25. The papacy's lifespan of 1260 years from 538 to 1798 AD supports the validity of the extrapolation.

 

[Blade]

"papacy changing and combining Ten Commandments and changing the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday"

No.. its not that.. so who is HE and speaking great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High is he? Its the "he" which you would have to GUESS at. This most likely someone you dont like dont agree with.

I do not believe this has even happen YET.