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You have any scriptures stating this, i would be interested in finding out.
And i am not talking about being born into the family of God, I know that is true.
Why do you think Paul says what he says there? Because Baptism doesn't matter?
-CryptoLutheran
What else does what say?
The verse?
The verse teaches that you are born on earth, and your mother's water breaks, and this is "born of water", on earth, pregnancy......natural birth.
Then Jesus says that you must have a 2nd birth.....a Spiritual Birth. BORN AGAIN.
"you must be BORN AGAIN">
Im not going to hold you hand here.
What you need to do, is go and study the NT and find out why Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, told YOU that "Christ sent me not to WATER Baptize".
Go find out, ViaCruscis.
Let us know what you discover.
I already know.
Its time for you to find out. And once you do, then share it with your Church so that they can all find out, also.
Born again, is not talking about being born again on earth out of your mother's womb a 2nd time, D tayloy.
Do the math.
Ive already explained it.
So Jesus is saying that in order to be born again we first have to be born vaginally? So children born of a c-section can't be saved?Why on earth would you believe that Jesus refers to the shedding of amniotic fluid, when it would have been plainly obvious to Nicodemus, a Jewish rabbi, that water meant water. That's why Jesus says to Nicodemus, "Are you not a teacher of Israel, how is it that you don't know these things?"
-CryptoLutheran
I already know why Paul said what he said. I'm trying to help you understand it to by encouraging you to read the Bible honestly.
-CryptoLutheran
John 3 is stating that Gods spirit is placed in the believer (not the spirit of the believer being placed in God). That is the new birth a believer receives, they receive the gift of God
There were no "C" sections being performed in Israel 2000 yrs ago, ViaCrusis.
Or didn't you know?
And the reason that Jesus said to Nicodemus, "are you not a teacher", is so that Jesus could explain about the 2nd Birth. "you must be BORN AGAIN".
We are born 2x, if we are born again.
Neither occurs courtesy of the chlorinated city water service.
Even Nicodemus would know that, ViaCrusis.
Now, get busy trying to realize that you exist inside a denomination that teaches that something SAVES , which Paul said Christ sent him not to do.
If you learn this truth, you are in a "stuck" position. Because it means that you are in a heretical situation.
Not many people would be honest enough to let go of their pride, and accept it.
And if you are one of the few, then it would be difficult for you to not be angry with your church, your denomination, and all of the life you've spent, believing something that isn't true.
Now, i know you will find a defense, but i also know that you can't defend it other then to just write a lot of meaningless posts..
Which you will probably do.
But on the other hand....If you can see this LIGHT...... maybe you are strong enough to get out of the darkness.
Not many make it out, once they've gotten so use to it for half their life, or more.
Truly.
You have spent a lot of you life, not realizing that the water is just water.
The verse says...."YOU MUST BE BORN 2x"
Also the gift of God, is "the gift of Righteousness". So, we are made righteousess by Jesus becoming our sin, and us becoming "the righteousness of God " "In Chrsit".
See, we are put "IN CHRIST", and in this, God lives in us.
But we have to be put THERE....
If you are born again, you are not born again into this world, you are born again into a KINGDOM, and a FAMILY, of which, these are not of this earth.
Through the Sacrament of Baptism we are born of God, though dead in our trespasses we have been made alive to God by His grace.
It doesn't need to be anymore complicated than what Scripture itself already says.
-CryptoLutheran
Looks like it is belief (that Jesus is The Messiah) and that is how a person is born of God.
Only the whole gospel of John states that.
“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him”
How does a faithless sinner believe in Jesus Christ?
-CryptoLutheran
Jesus told Nicodemus that he needed to be born again before anyone was being given the indwelling Holy Spirit.I believe instead of birthing our spirit into God. He births His spirit (Holy Spirit of Everlasting life) into us.
How do you believe any evidence when it is presented to you. Example a trial how do you believe if a person is innocent or guilty
And i am not faithless i have the ability to place faith in many things.
To be born again means to have the life of God, lost in the Garden when Adam sinned, restored to you as a free gift when you accept Jesus Christ as your savior. You are born once physically when you come out of your mother's womb. You are born again, spiritually, when the Holy Spirit comes to live inside you at the moment of salvation.-
It means that, as an unbeliever, you have a nature that is sinful. It means that because Adam sinned, this caused a " lost position".., where he was no longer connected to God, spiritually.
And all who were born since Adam, have this same situation... this same spiritual condition.
Our nature, is our spiritual condition... and its UNRIGHTEOUS.
We have a dead spirit, ... dead in the sense that is not a part of God's HOLY Spirit.
God is "A" Spirit.....= Holy Spirit.
We are not holy, we are sinful, sinners, and lost. "Lost" means we are disconnected from the Holy Spirit of God.
How is this resolved? God gives us His Righteousness, and it becomes OURS.
"we are made the righteousness of GOD = IN CHRIST".
"The Gift of Righteousness".
Through our FAITH .... God BIRTHS our spirit into His, and we become "ONE" with God and Christ.
How does this happen? Thru the power of the Holy Spirit.... God literally puts His Righteousness in us, and we become it, and this creates a BIRTH in our Spirit, that connects us to God's Spirit. = Born again.
This is the "new birth", or the 2nd Birth, which creates us as a "new Creation" "In Christ".
This is how we are born again. = Jesus said : "You must be born again". John 3
What causes it?
"all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be SAVED". "Saved" means, justified in God's sight.
It means that the blood of Jesus is applied to us, which gives us a complete forgiveness that is eternal.
It causes us to be at peace with God, and it forever redeems us back into God's family.
Salvation was never offered to demons.There's clearly a difference between saving faith in Christ and faith in other things. After all, even the demons believe and they tremble.
No, as a sinner you are faithless, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If it were not for the grace of God through the Gospel, you would not have faith in God's Son who saves you.
-CryptoLutheran
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