What do you see masturbating as? Sin? Sorry about all the topics you must have!

[Dannager]

did your reason tell you that?

And my faith, yes.

 

[Dannager]

Human reason is so unreliable! The natural man's mind is corrupt.

Nah, you just like to think that.

A divinely inspired anything is inerrant. Do you not trust that God can do such a thing?

Sure, God could. But God didn't.

 

[daniel777]

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

greate choice

 

[daniel777]

And my faith, yes.

is your faith true?

 

[Jedi]

Human reason is so unreliable!

And how did you come to that conclusion? Surely not through reason, since it's so "unreliable." Faith, then? How do you know that set of beliefs is true? Why not Hinduism? Islam? Judaism? Wicca? Why not those? Was the decision made for you by the setting in which you were raised? If so, your faith is random and depends completely on where you happen to be born.

Is your faith your own? If you condemn human reason, I see no other method by which Christianity can truly be your faith or how you could possibly condemn someone else who might disagree with you.

Praying to the Father God that your future wife masturbates is utterly ridiculous! Why would God answer such a request? You are asking Him to supply you with a mate that is sinning.

For the love of God Himself, prove to me that masturbation is inherently sinful. Do it! You look down on people, condemning them as “selfish” and “dumb,” supposing your thoughts are those of God. What arrogance! Let me explain something very clearly to you: when you’re in a discussion with others in trying to understand whether or not something is immoral, you don’t go off condemning people. That does absolutely no good. We already know your stance. Now back it up. Bring it, girl.

You need to have more humility than you’ve shown here and more respect for your fellow man. You are acting exactly like so many ignorant church-goers who condemn sexuality out of fear or naivety. I have no respect for that game and it would be cause for celebration if people like that dropped off the face of the earth and were never heard from again.


For once in this discussion, answer people's questions. I have asked you many times over: from what basis do you assert that masturbation and/or thinking sexual thoughts inherently fall into the category of "lack of selfcontrol," "of the flesh," or "lust?"

 

[Dannager]

is your faith true?

Yes, I believe that it is.

 

[sentipente]

Human reason is so unreliable! The natural man's mind is corrupt.

A divinely inspired anything is inerrant. Do you not trust that God can do such a thing?

When did humans create reason? If a divinely inspired thing is inerrant what about a divinely created thing?

 

[Floatingaxe]

When did humans create reason? If a divinely inspired thing is inerrant what about a divinely created thing?

When a man places His mind on things above, he can't go far wrong.

Colossians 3:1-10
If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him,

 

[sentipente]

When a man places His mind on things above, he can't go far wrong.

You have not answered my questions. I will repeat them, for your benefit. Please do not ignore them.
When did humans create reason? If a divinely inspired thing is inerrant what about a divinely created thing?

 

[Floatingaxe]

You have not answered my questions. I will repeat them, for your benefit. Please do not ignore them.
When did humans create reason? If a divinely inspired thing is inerrant what about a divinely created thing?

Humans didn't create reason and you well know it. God did, but humans pervert it as they know how to do so well.

Do you really trust God?

 

[sentipente]

Humans didn't create reason and you well know it. God did, but humans pervert it as they know how to do so well.

What makes you so certain they have not also perverted faith?

 

[Floatingaxe]

What makes you so certain they have not also perverted faith?

Many thousands do and have since Jesus Christ. But, as you must know, when one veers from the Word of God, one is heading down a slope of error.

God tells us to follow after Christ and His words and ways. Do that, and you can't fo too far wrong.

 

[sentipente]

Many thousands do and have since Jesus Christ. But, as you must know, when one veers from the Word of God, one is heading down a slope of error.

God tells us to follow after Christ and His words and ways. Do that, and you can't fo too far wrong.

How do you know which faith is perverted and which is not if you cannot use the gift of reason the Creator gave to you?

 

[Dannager]

How do you know which faith is perverted and which is not if you cannot use the gift of reason the Creator gave to you?

This is like watching a well-played game of Chess against a novice.

 

[Floatingaxe]

How do you know which faith is perverted and which is not if you cannot use the gift of reason the Creator gave to you?

Obviously you do not believe in the authority of God's Word, so it's useless to continue with you.

If one teaches anything against the message of Jesus Christ, then we are to have nothing to do with it--or those teaching error.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 (paraphrased)
These are the things I want you to teach and preach. If you have leaders there who teach otherwise, who refuse the solid words of our Master Jesus and this godly instruction, tag them for what they are: ignorant windbags who infect the air with germs of envy, controversy, bad-mouthing, suspicious rumors. Eventually there's an epidemic of backstabbing, and truth is but a distant memory. They think religion is a way to make a fast buck.

 

[Dannager]

Obviously you do not believe in the authority of God's Word, so it's useless to continue with you.

Fundamentalist Christianity at work.

Backed into a corner, your only course of action is to cry out that your opponent doesn't believe what you believe and retreat into your glass fortress.

This is infinitely preferable to you doing the mature thing and conceding that you have no appropriate response.

 

[sentipente]

This is infinitely preferable to you doing the mature thing and conceding that you have no appropriate response.

That would have been soooo refreshing. Another disappointment.

 

[lovecomessofty1967]

hi

 

[Floatingaxe]

Fundamentalist Christianity at work.

Backed into a corner, your only course of action is to cry out that your opponent doesn't believe what you believe and retreat into your glass fortress.

This is infinitely preferable to you doing the mature thing and conceding that you have no appropriate response.

I will always have an appropriate response. It is you who browbeats. I don't succumb to that.

You have no spiritual basis for any argument that you take on. It's all based on what you think or reason. Nothing authoritative from God is in your arsenal. So, your weapons are useless.

 

[Dannager]

I will always have an appropriate response. It is you who browbeats. I don't succumb to that.

You have no spiritual basis for any argument that you take on. It's all based on what you think or reason. Nothing authoritative from God is in your arsenal. So, your weapons are useless.

God granted us our reason and thought.

You just choose to ignore that gift.