What do you see masturbating as? Sin? Sorry about all the topics you must have!

[Calliso]

Well, I mean, she has said that the only name she goes by is Jesus Christ. That must come with the package.

Ahh I get it!! she IS God!! ahh it is all so clear now....

 

[Dannager]

You know nothing of my attitude.

I think at this point all of us have experienced what can only be a representative dose of your attitude, Floatingaxe.

 

[Floatingaxe]

It would be really nice you know if you took your own advice on despising and ridicule you know....But what I am trying to say..is how do people KNOW what God is saying to them? how do they know for sure that a feeling is from God and lets say not from the devil? Just how do people know?

The Holy Spirit is the one who speaks to the heart about such things. His voice is unmistakable to those who follow Christ.

You can know God's will through His Word as you read it, and the Holy Spirit speaks there. He also speaks to you in prayer. He also speaks to you through others--your spiritual brothers and sisters, and also through your spiritual leaders. All those things come together and agree.

John 10:27
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

John 10:4-5
And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

 

[sentipente]

You can know God's will through His Word as you read it, and the Holy Spirit speaks there.

I assume you are referring to the Bible. According to the OT God told the Hebrews they could force the virgins of the tribes around them to be their wives. Do you consider that to be God's will?

 

[holo]

can anyone tell me how touching yourself is bringing glory to God?

In the same way that eating a meal does, or dancing, scratching your ear.

can anyone tell me the common characteristics maserbation shares with other sin?

No.

 

[Calliso]

I assume you are referring to the Bible. According to the OT God told the Hebrews they could force the virgins of the tribes around them to be their wives. Do you consider that to be God's will?

Good point! We have to remember that the bible was written by men..and while much of it might have been divinely inspired..I think a lot of it was basically just men saying God told me to do this..so therefore it is ok!

 

[holo]

It shares a lot with other sins..the foremost being that it is done in secret.

So is defecating. And furthermore, a lot of people here have been very open about it. So no, it's not done in secret.

The second is that it does bring shame

Actually, it doesn't. You try to bring shame, though, and no doubt those who think like you do, bring shame on themselves when they touch.

But again, don't impose your own sexual problems and perversions on the rest of us.

Thirdly, it just goes against God's design for life.

How?

Sex is to be a shared experience only betweeen married couples.

And masturbation conflicts with that how? And if that is true, how come you don't condemn little children for doing it?

 

[Floatingaxe]

I think at this point all of us have experienced what can only be a representative dose of your attitude, Floatingaxe.

Well, I suppose I should be glad. The cross of Christ is an offense.

1 Peter 2:5-9
And you are living stones that God is building into his spiritual temple. What’s more, you are his holy priests. Through the mediation of Jesus Christ, you offer spiritual sacrifices that please God. As the Scriptures say,

“I am placing a cornerstone in Jerusalem,
chosen for great honor,
and anyone who trusts in him
will never be disgraced.”
Yes, you who trust him recognize the honor God has given him. But for those who reject him,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has now become the cornerstone.”
And,
“He is the stone that makes people stumble,
the rock that makes them fall.”
They stumble because they do not obey God’s word, and so they meet the fate that was planned for them. But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.

 

[daniel777]

Good point! We have to remember that the bible was written by men..and while much of it might have been divinely inspired..I think a lot of it was basically just men saying God told me to do this..so therefore it is ok!

that's a very dangerous position to take. if you take this position, what foundation do you have for any argument apart from yourself.

In the same way that eating a meal does, or dancing, scratching your ear.

well, i can find were the bible talks about men of God doing all these things(except maby scratching your ear), but touching yourself. no.

 

[Dannager]

that's a very dangerous position to take. if you take this position, what foundation do you have for any argument apart from yourself.

The same foundation anyone else has, plus reason.

 

[Calliso]

The same foundation anyone else has, plus reason.

Exactly!

 

[Floatingaxe]

The same foundation anyone else has, plus reason.

Speak for yourself. The Word of God is the WORD of God! It supersedes all earthly authority and fleshly judgment. Anything that doesn't agree with it, we cast aside.

 

[Dannager]

Speak for yourself. The Word of God is the WORD of God! It supersedes all earthly authority and fleshly judgment. Anything that doesn't agree with it, we cast aside.

Oh, yes, I know.

 

[sentipente]

Speak for yourself. The Word of God is the WORD of God! It supersedes all earthly authority and fleshly judgment. Anything that doesn't agree with it, we cast aside.

That is true. The problem is you think the Bible is THE exclusive Word of God even though no such claim is found within its pages. You need to ask whose opinions you are following on this.

 

[daniel777]

The same foundation anyone else has, plus reason.

so, are you saying you put reason avove the Word of God (which you believe isn't inspired). have you ever read proverbs. . . ?

even reason makes assumptions. if your reason is based on assumptions and you have no foundation outside of yourself, where does your reason come from. culture; that changes all the time. youself; well there are alot of people. nothing; what is reason?

without absolute truth, solid reason and logic cannot exist, because it would be based on assumptions that are constantly changing. and in that respect your reason and logic means no more than the madmans. (actually you wouldn't even be able to define the madman. or tell the difference between a normal and mad person.)

what are you saying?

 

[Floatingaxe]

That is true. The problem is you think the Bible is THE exclusive Word of God even though no such claim is found within its pages. You need to ask whose opinions you are following on this.

What, pray tell, is the authority you live your life by? God;s word, the written Word is preserved by God just for us to take in as food for our spirits.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Hebrews 6:17--we are charged to take up the Word of God as part of our armour--daily!...

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;



I follow God's opinion on this. Whose opinion do you follow?

 

[daniel777]

That is true. The problem is you think the Bible is THE exclusive Word of God even though no such claim is found within its pages. You need to ask whose opinions you are following on this.

"all scripture is God breathed" common....

Question. and not trying to be rude. just trying to be logical. if you can't identify Truth, how can you know God?

 

[Dannager]

so, are you saying you put reason avove the Word of God (which you believe isn't inspired). have you ever read proverbs. . . ?

Yeah, I put reason above the Bible. Reason is more reliable.

And I believe that the Bible is divinely inspired. That doesn't make it inerrant or perfect, though.

 

[daniel777]

Yeah, I put reason above the Bible. Reason is more reliable.

And I believe that the Bible is divinely inspired. That doesn't make it inerrant or perfect, though.

did your reason tell you that?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Yeah, I put reason above the Bible. Reason is more reliable.

And I believe that the Bible is divinely inspired. That doesn't make it inerrant or perfect, though.

Human reason is so unreliable! The natural man's mind is corrupt.

A divinely inspired anything is inerrant. Do you not trust that God can do such a thing?

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.