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Sure, it is now. It should be murder, though. Because you don't have a right to be "ignorant" about lethal weapons in the hands of children. To me, that's implied malice aforethought. If adults can't manage to lock up guns, perhaps their right to own guns should be denied.
It might be ignorance or negligence, but it isn't malice.
Which is the difference between manslaughter and murder.
It might be ignorance or negligence, but it isn't malice.
Or it might be indifference, or apathy, regardless, someone like that should be treated as intentionally hurtful, and if their behavior results in the death of children, treat it as murder.
Malicious indifference works for me. People who own guns should know better.
There are also plenty of times when someone who thought "Oh, I could never shoot another human being" had a complete change of heart after falling victim to a violent criminal. But I believe it's best to be prepared to do what needs to be done ahead of time rather than after the fact.
Again, a blanket judgment against an entire country. Are you part of that group that you're condemning?
BTW, your characterizations of things in general make it sound as if we're just a bunch of children and the government is there as our parents. I'm sure there are plenty in government who would just love it if everyone would accept that viewpoint.
I didn't know there was an attack to defend against.
Then quit listening to the people who are "gun obsessed" and listen to those who fully understand the value of self defense as you say you do. So far, you've taken the views of extremists and applied them to anyone who talks about the subject favorably.
What about it? Bans have been tried. The gun-ban advocates didn't see the results they thought they would.
Then read the bible and learn for yourself if you don't want to be taught.
You don't have to listen to what anyone here tells you. But at least be teachable or you won't learn even if you try doing it on your own. Also, you're on a Christian forum, so I don't know who you're expecting to hear from.
Once again you're making blanket judgements. If you want to live in a society with people obsessed by love and peace, then hang around with those who you feel are like that.
Just don't be deceived into thinking that those who are rioting and looting and setting buildings on fire while claiming to be about love and peace are actually about love and peace.
Increased gun ownership does not make a nation safer (SOURCE, SOURCE 2)
Guns in the home tend to increase the risk to the women in that home and positively correlates with youth suicide. (SOURCE)
The idea of a Good Guy with a Gun Stopping a Bad Guy with a Gun seems largely unsupported by the numbers (SOURCE)
I don't own a gun. I find guns fascinating and definitely would have been one of those people who found them fascinating enough to "collect". But I also realize there's little reason for me to have one and apparently according to the numbers it would be far worse for society if I did have them in my home.
Well, when I see gun owners acting like petulant children who don't want anyone to see their "collection" because it means the scary government man will take all his toys away, or hear about how one has gotta man up and defend yer womern folks from the ebil bad man with your handy six shooter I have to assume that they are largely thinking like children.
Again, I will go with the numbers. Assuming that the NRA will allow the CDC to ever actually STUDY the numbers. You know when someone has NOTHING TO HIDE they ALWAYS hide it.
Except where they do work...like other countries.
I've read the Bible. I used to be a believer as well. My understanding of God was not quite as loosey-goosey as most modern US Conservatives. I never saw a gun-totin', cigar chompin' Jesus stepping in to widen that needle's eye for the wealthy that so many American Conservative Christians see.
I have plenty of friends who are Christian who never say the kind of bile I see belched out consistently by Christians on CF. I've seen more darkness in the souls of Christians on CF than I thought was around.
Clearly not many of the Christians on CF, eh?
All are biased sources being historically anti-gun.
Think like an individual rather than someone who lives by the numbers
If people all lived by the numbers, we would junk our cars so we wouldn't pollute the atmosphere. We wouldn't have children because of the overpopulation problem. The list goes on, but you get the idea.
Then read the bible again and abide by what you see written rather than basing your belief of Christ on what you see on this forum. Be discerning.
If you don't think so, then you're always free to leave this site.
People are free to stay or go as they please. But hanging around here to complain about Christians based on your stereotyping of them won't help you.
Probably because there are SO MANY uses for them. Hunting is a large part of gun ownership, and there are different types of guns for different types of hunting. Small game, large game, and any kind of bird hunting necessitates 3 types of guns at minimum. When self defense comes into the picture, then so do handguns.
That's right! I'm glad we actually agree on this.
AND don't forget the potential for a wayward government to take over its people when they have no way to defend themselves!
Obviously those who do not understand the difference between murder and manslaughter, between God given rights and people's opinions, will take over and push their intolerance upon believers all the time demanding we tolerate their godless views.
You mean no controls obviously. If you had control you wouldn't have the insane statistics that the USA does. And you just told me before that controls shouldn't be in place. Are you saying now that the USA does try and control it? Your being very self contradictory which of course it's exactly what the gun lobby isWhat you're saying ignores the controls and prohibitions already in place.
Murder (other than felony murder) usually requires intent. That is to say that the killer WANTED the person dead. If not, then usually it is not murder MAYBE second degree murder depending on your state.Sure, it is now. It should be murder, though. Because you don't have a right to be "ignorant" about lethal weapons in the hands of children. To me, that's implied malice aforethought. If adults can't manage to lock up guns, perhaps their right to own guns should be denied.
thank you Malice means it is done with the intent to hurt people or their property. You cannot tell me that most of those parents, despite their very poor judgement acted with malice.It might be ignorance or negligence, but it isn't malice.
Yes, they should but poor judgement does NOT equal that is what murder takes not should have known better not poor judgement. Heck did you know that sometimes if someone honestly DOES what appears to be murder drunk or high many times they can get a reduced sentence (if they were not committing ANOTHER felony at the time of the murder) because they lacked the ability to have the required intent for first degree murder? That is WAY different than a parent who granted uses very poor judgement in allowing a toddler to access a firearm.Or it might be indifference, or apathy, regardless, someone like that should be treated as intentionally hurtful, and if their behavior results in the death of children, treat it as murder.
Malicious indifference works for me. People who own guns should know better.
There ARE controls what is debated is what kinds of controls there should be, but they do exist For example, it is a federal crime for convicted felons (unless they have been pardoned) to even own guns or even amo within their OWN homes. Some states even say that NO ONE can have guns in the home if a convicted felon lives there. There are laws that prevent the mentally ill ( assuming that their illness is documented) from having guns, same with drug addicts and many crimes of violence ( even if they do not rise to the level of a felony). There ARE controls.You mean no controls obviously. If you had control you wouldn't have the insane statistics that the USA does. And you just told me before that controls shouldn't be in place. Are you saying now that the USA does try and control it? Your being very self contradictory which of course it's exactly what the gun lobby is
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