what do people here think of Joyce Meyer?

[Eric Hibbert]

Youve raised the best questions in this thread Simon!
I do think that ministers should be teaching us about finances in that it's
part of 'equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry" imo.

So do I. The problem is that what she is teaching isn't Biblical.

 

[sunlover1]

Define "best". Why does "best" always mean material things to Meyer and her followers?

I doubt that it does.
But there are carnal people every where
Seemed part of God's "best" for solomon's
blessing was indeed material things.

For me it's being in the presence of God.
You can take away my colored tv,
take away my furniture and my fancy
clothes and jewelry etc.
But don't take God from me.
He IS the air I breath and w/o
Him nothing matters at all.

I can't speak for Simon, but I believe God wants me, first and foremost, to repent and receive Christ, which I have, and to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ.

I agree, But I mean do you believe he wants you to be in poverty?

[/quote]Even if you believe that this verse is talking about wealth [/quote]
It is speaking of material wealth.
The entire talk was about their giving of their money.

(and you left out the part of v 8 that tells us he's talking about grace, not material wealth),

Seriously, That's the BEST part of it!
That GRACE that abounds to the giver!
IN all things even.
I NEED grace every minute of every day.

 

[simonthezealot]

Youve raised the best questions in this thread Simon!

Thanks.

I do think that ministers should be teaching us about finances in that it's
part of 'equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry" imo.

Yes, based on scripture though!

To expand on what solomon said about the ministry.
OUR field is "the world"
We are to BE the church to the world.
BE AS GOD to the world
as He is so are we, "IN THIS WORLD".

How IS He "in this world"?

Well he's the way and the truth and the Life
When folks meet us, they should be connected
to the kingdom of Heaven, they should experience
God "IN US".

Was it Peter who foiks would get healed from when
he walked down the street?
Do we have that same spirit IN us, that Peter had?

I know I sound crazy, just trying to sort this out
from biblical world view.

So when someone sits next to me, they should
be sitting next to "God in me" too.
And God wants to "manifest" THROUGH me.
(am I right? please feel free to correct me friend)
HOW does He want to manifest through me?

Let me hash through this last part a little bit.

 

[Eric Hibbert]

I doubt that it does.

Then you must not be very familiar with her. That's all she talks about.

I agree, But I mean do you believe he wants you to be in poverty?

Maybe. It doesn't appear to be, or else I would poor (which is not to say that I might not become poor at some point). But the Bible never says God will not allow or even call some people to be poor.

It is speaking of material wealth.

I disagree. You left out part of the verse that tells you what he was talking about.

 

[sunlover1]

Should a public minister of the word teach this?
she teaches that Jesus ceased to be the son of God (lost His divine nature) to become sin.
?

No, I think that's silly.

Should MacArthur be teaching what He does about the blood of Christ?
No.
Show me the "perfect" pastor and I'll gladly sit under that one.
Until that day, we have men and women who are prone to error.
But theyre preaching Christ and Him crucified.
All of them have details they should leave unsaid because they
don't fully understand.. imo

 

[sunlover1]

Then you must not be very familiar with her. That's all she talks about.

I'm familiar with her enough to know that's not "all" she talks about.
Not even the bulk of what she talks about.
But what if it were?
I have heard teachers who's ministry is mainly grace,
I've heard other's who's is endtimes.
I have some sort of special faith for barren women.
(DOn't ask me, it's strange but if you want a baby,
let me pray for you lol)

Maybe.

I'm asking you to "know" what God's will is for you.
Not to guess.
How can you pray if you don't know what HE wants?

It doesn't appear to be, or else I would poor

So it's HIS will you're not poor right now?

But the Bible never says God will not allow or even call some people to be poor.

I haven't read the entire Bible recently so I don't know that it doesnt and
I can't take your word for it, nothing personal.
Just my own beliefs.

 

[Eric Hibbert]

I'm asking you to "know" what God's will is for you.
Not to guess.

Wow. You're really starting to get aggressive about this.

I think I'm going to go ahead and drop out of this portion of the conversation with you.

 

[Tangible]

Didn't we have a thread on God's individual will for your life recently? God's will is revealed explicitly in scripture, and in all else he gives us freedom with accountability. It is for freedom he has made us free.

 

[sunlover1]

Thanks.

True, I like to see some revelation come from a thread.

Yes, based on scripture though!

Of course! with no twisting OF Scripture lol.

Let me hash through this last part a little bit.

God bless you.

I disagree. You left out part of the verse that tells you what he was talking about.

Here's his opening statement:
2 Corinthians 9

9 There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the Lord’s people. 2 For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action. 3 But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be. 4 For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we—not to say anything about you—would be ashamed of having been so confident. 5 So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.
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[sunlover1]

Wow. You're really starting to get aggressive about this.

I think I'm going to go ahead and drop out of this portion of the conversation with you.

Sorry you mistake my passion for truth as "aggression"
Because I'm zealous FOR you to know His will for your life,
doesn't make me "aggressive" lol
But that's fine.
Be blessed!
I pray you (all of us) grow in the Lord
and increase in the "knowledge" of Him.

Didn't we have a thread on God's individual will for your life recently? God's will is revealed explicitly in scripture, and in all else he gives us freedom with accountability. It is for freedom he has made us free.

AMEN!
Freedom from sin, freedom from the LAW
of sin and death, freedom from dead works
.. among other things.

 

[simonthezealot]

No, I think that's silly.

Should MacArthur be teaching what He does about the blood of Christ?
No.
Show me the "perfect" pastor and I'll gladly sit under that one.
Until that day, we have men and women who are prone to error.
But theyre preaching Christ and Him crucified.
All of them have details they should leave unsaid because they
don't fully understand.. imo

It's beyond silly, it is heretical.
I think people misunderstand what Mac taught on the blood...Just saying.
There are variations in ORTHODOX teaching Sun...But when one teaches a denial of Christ divinity as she does, she becomes a false teacher, it's more than just the tensions of some difficult to understand interpretive challenges within scripture where sides can agree to disagree, it's twisting scripture for ones own gain. All teachers are prone to some errors our job is to be of noble character and hold what they teach to the "word of God"...

 

[simonthezealot]

Joyce demotes God and deifies man, just based on those two teachings I showed above.Christ losing His divinity in hell, and man becoming lil Gods.
That is the work of the adversary which she is doing.

 

[sunlover1]

Joyce demotes God and deifies man, just based on those two teachings I showed above.Christ losing His divinity in hell, and man becoming lil Gods.
That is the work of the adversary which she is doing.

I understand what you're saying.
And where do we draw the line?
The accusations about Mac are serious
as well. The blood of Jesus is, after all,
the principal thing.
People also accuse him of doing
the work of the adversary.

MacArthur claims his salvation "and yours depends on a true understanding of Christ," and a "false christ is a damning deception." MacArthur still teaches a false christ to this day (e.g. see MacWars). Yet, for years MacArthur taught what he now admits was not "a true understanding of Christ" (see below), but he believes this false christ that he taught was not "rank heresy." MacArthur lies against both himself and God's Word.
This report was originally written in 1995. MacArthur has since (1999) changed this teaching about Christ (Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ). In his recantation (hard copy on file), MacArthur speaks of Augustine (a Catholic) as if he was a man of God, and MacArthur says that his error is not "rank heresy." Yet, as already noted, elsewhere he says, a "false christ is a damning deception" (bold added). Evidently, according to MacArthur, "rank heresy" and "damning deception" are not the same.
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[simonthezealot]

I understand what you're saying.
And where do we draw the line?
The accusations about Mac are serious
as well. The blood of Jesus is, after all,
the principal thing.
People also accuse him of doing
the work of the adversary.

Look at the source Sun...Fair warning to you that going to cults like that of Darwin Fish whose main goal is to attack leaders of orthodox Christianity, who is an anti-trinitarian, anti-sola fide false teacher to make make a point of defending another false teacher seems largely without merit and highly dangerous.. My views on Meyers are from words that come straight out of her mouth and are consistent with the word/faith movement and can be held up to the light of scripture..

The blood of Jesus is a serious thing, do you know JM's view on that (from his preaching/teaching) that you can compare it to the word?

 

[sunlover1]

Look at the source Sun...Fair warning to you that going to cults like that of Darwin Fish whose main goal is to attack leaders of orthodox Christianity, who is an anti-trinitarian, anti-sola fide false teacher to make make a point of defending another false teacher seems largely without merit and highly dangerous.. My views on Meyers are from words that come straight out of her mouth and are consistent with the word/faith movement and can be held up to the light of scripture..

The blood of Jesus is a serious thing, do you know JM's view on that (from his preaching/teaching) that you can compare it to the word?

There are thousands of 'sources' saying this or saying that.
You're missing my point perhaps.

It's not about joyce and it's not about mac.
I could use ANY name and find the same ...
Well maybe not baptist Charles Stanley
OMgosh! Even precious Charles???

So where do we draw the line?
YOu say HER error is gross and worse,
another says his is and hers isn't.

So now what?

 

[sunlover1]

I think Jude is helpful

 

[simonthezealot]

There are thousands of 'sources' saying this or saying that.
You're missing my point perhaps.

It's not about joyce and it's not about mac.
I could use ANY name and find the same ...
Well maybe not baptist Charles Stanley
OMgosh! Even precious Charles???

So where do we draw the line?
YOu say HER error is gross and worse,
another says his is and hers isn't.

So now what?

Now what? 1st consider the source of information 2nd KNOW that scripture reveals absolute truths. Leaving us only bits that are un-scrutable, doctrinally speaking. (there are areas we can agree to disagree, Christ divinity? NOT one!)
When preachers teach outside of fundamental tenants of the; biblical,historical, orthodox christian faith they must be called to repentance or turned away...Meyer and Fish both have been confronted about their false teachings and have chose to ignore the biblical correction.

 

[sunlover1]

Now what? 1st consider the source of information 2nd KNOW that scripture reveals absolute truths. Leaving us only bits that are un-scrutable, doctrinally speaking. (there are areas we can agree to disagree, Christ divinity? NOT one!)
When preachers teach outside of fundamental tenants of the; biblical,historical, orthodox christian faith they must be called to repentance or turned away...Meyer and Fish both have been confronted about their false teachings and have chose to ignore the biblical correction.

Forget fish.
As I said, there are thousands of sites doing this stuff,
and even Charles stanley is "exposed"

Yes Scripture reveals absolute truths.
ABsolutely you and I disagree on some of those.
Who's the "Heretic"?

Hope that helps you see what I'm getting at.
Our enemy is sly (and he's our ONLY enemy,
we don't wrestle joyce and mac or each other)

BTW, hope alls been well, it's good to see you again.

 

[simonthezealot]

Forget fish.
As I said, there are thousands of sites doing this stuff,
and even Charles stanley is "exposed"

Yes Scripture reveals absolute truths.
ABsolutely you and I disagree on some of those.
Who's the "Heretic"?

Hope that helps you see what I'm getting at.
Our enemy is sly (and he's our ONLY enemy,
we don't wrestle joyce and mac or each other)

BTW, hope alls been well, it's good to see you again.

We don't on the fundamentals of the faith, teachers like Meyer is at odd's with number 2 and people should run from her teaching.

1. The Trinity:
2. The Person of Jesus Christ:
3. The Second Coming:
4. Salvation: (by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.)
5. The Scriptures:inerrant and infallible

All is well for me!

 

[sunlover1]

We don't on the fundamentals of the faith, teachers like Meyer is at odd's with number 2 and people should run from her teaching.

1. The Trinity:
2. The Person of Jesus Christ:
3. The Second Coming:
4. Salvation: (by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.)
5. The Scriptures:inerrant and infallible

All is well for me!

Glad all is well...
Then that means you've been busy,
and imo, busy is a good thing lol.

So 'for you" Joyce is out and mac is in, even though they're both
supposedly "exposed" as false teachers.
And you have your criteria and the next guy has his..

My comments aren't about what she or Mac teach but more
about the concept of how, why etc. on 'heretics"

It's not what we're looking AT that determines what we
see, it's what we're looking THROUGH.