What do Democrats see in Ocasio-Cortez?

[Aldebaran]

You're thinking of 2018. The blue wave apparently continues. If the election is tomorrow, Trump gets 167 electoral votes.

Not in Wisconsin. The governorship may have flipped to democrat, but the republicans maintained the Assembly and Senate, and also gained a seat on the state supreme court.

 

[Aldebaran]

Did more than 25% of Americans vote for Donald a Trump?

What's important is that among those who care enough to vote one way or another, they voted for Trump. Check the 2016 election results.

And which policies of his were different than other Relublican candidates’ policies?

It doesn't really matter. The voters voted Republican.

 

[The Barbarian]

Not in Wisconsin. The governorship may have flipped to democrat, but the republicans maintained the Assembly and Senate, and also gained a seat on the state supreme court.

Thanks to the republicans rigging the system. They Gerrymandered the districts to the point that even though most Wisconsin voters voted for democrats, the republicans won handily. Then, having lost the statewide races, (hard to rig that, because you can't redistrict a statewide race) the republicans quickly took as much power from the Governor and Attorney General as possible.

Republicans don't trust the people of Wisconsin to make their own choices, so they've done whatever they can to keep that from happening. Thanks for giving me a chance to remind everyone.

 

[The Barbarian]

What's important is that among those who care enough to vote one way or another, they voted for Trump. Check the 2016 election results.

No, actually, slightly more than 2 million more Americans wanted Clinton than wanted Trump. But he's lost a good deal of support since then...
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

Suprisingly, even Rasmussen, which tends to give him positive numbers or close to it, now has him down by eight points. And Fox has him down by seven points.

 

[Aldebaran]

Thanks to the republicans rigging the system. They Gerrymandered the districts to the point that even though most Wisconsin voters voted for democrats, the republicans won handily. Then, having lost the statewide races, (hard to rig that, because you can't redistrict a statewide race) the republicans quickly took as much power from the Governor and Attorney General as possible.

Republicans don't trust the people of Wisconsin to make their own choices, so they've done whatever they can to keep that from happening. Thanks for giving me a chance to remind everyone.

The idea that Republicans must have cheated somehow in order to win isn't credible. They won the Senate, and they won the assembly and they won the supreme court seat. Why can't you guys accept that? Even when Obama won, it was said that America is still racist, and that he won despite racism. The liberals can't accept defeat, and they whine despite victory.

 

[kcnalp]

The idea that Republicans must have cheated somehow in order to win isn't credible. They won the Senate, and they won the assembly and they won the supreme court seat. Why can't you guys accept that? Even when Obama won, it was said that America is still racist, and that he won despite racism. The liberals can't accept defeat, and they whine despite victory.

Most Liberals won't give up until God confronts them, and He will very soon.

Luke 21:32
32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Most Liberals won't give up until God confronts them, and He will very soon.

Luke 21:32
32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Most conservatives won't give up until God confronts them, and He will very soon. It's not as if the Republican Party has the moral high ground and isn't politically corrupt within itself as the Democratic Party. Both liberals and conservatives are guilty of immoral behavior and corruption. It isn't one-sided.

 

[The Barbarian]

The idea that Republicans must have cheated somehow in order to win isn't credible.

It's just a fact. Even though more Wisconsin voters voted for democrats, Gerrymandering allowed the republicans to rig the election:

Detailed election data posted by the state this week illustrates once more the ongoing impact of Wisconsin’s gerrymandered, Republican-friendly legislative map.

GOP Gov. Scott Walker lost his bid for re-election by roughly 1 percentage point Nov. 6 to Democrat Tony Evers.

Yet Walker carried 63 of the state’s 99 state Assembly districts.

In fact, the data show that 64 of the 99 districts are more Republican than the state as a whole, based on their vote for governor.

In other words, Republicans enjoy a built-in 64-35 advantage in the partisan makeup of the 99 Assembly districts. In a hypothetical 50-50 election, in which there are equal numbers of Democratic and Republican voters in Wisconsin, no one crosses party lines and independents split down the middle, that translates into a massive 29-seat GOP advantage in the Assembly. That's very close to the 27-seat margin (63-36) that Republicans won last month.

The legislative map drawn by the GOP in 2011 added greatly to that natural Republican advantage. Under the old map, Democrats had to outperform the GOP by 2 or 3 points statewide to have a good shot at winning control of the Assembly. But under the current map, Democrats need to out-perform the GOP by closer to 9 or 10 points statewide to have a good shot at winning an Assembly majority.
New election data highlights the ongoing impact of 2011 GOP redistricting in Wisconsin

The republicans, because they don't trust the voters of Wisconsin, rigged the process to make it almost impossible for Wisconsin voters to choose representatives of their choice.

They won the Senate, and they won the assembly and they won the supreme court seat.

And they lost the statewide offices, because you can't rig those elections by Gerrymandering. Republicans have lost faith in America, and now want to rule as a minority party.

Even when Obama won, it was said that America is still racist, and that he won despite racism.

Again, it's really difficult to Gerrymander a presidential election. And while racism is still an issue, there aren't usually enough republicans to swing the election merely on racism. At least, there weren't enough racists, those elections.

The real crunch for republicans comes next year. Apparently, they lack the numbers to override a veto, on redistricting after the census, so they'll have to come to an agreement with the Governor, or it will go to a bipartisan committee. And that would likely lead to redistricting that was neutral with regard to party. Which would be a disaster for the republican party in Wisconsin.

 

[Aldebaran]

Most conservatives won't give up until God confronts them, and He will very soon. It's not as if the Republican Party has the moral high ground and isn't politically corrupt within itself as the Democratic Party. Both liberals and conservatives are guilty of immoral behavior and corruption. It isn't one-sided.

Which of these is better:
A party that generally votes against abortion, for border security, freedom, national security, etc. or a party that outright will proclaim abortion to involve nothing more than a woman's body and that a baby growing in the womb isn't even human, and a party that seems to have no problem with Mexicans spilling over the border by the thousands each day while ordinary citizens are tasked with trying to support them all by themselves?

 

[The Barbarian]

Shiloh Raven said: ↑
Most conservatives won't give up until God confronts them, and He will very soon. It's not as if the Republican Party has the moral high ground and isn't politically corrupt within itself as the Democratic Party. Both liberals and conservatives are guilty of immoral behavior and corruption. It isn't one-sided.

Which of these is better:

A party that retains enough faith in the American people to let them chose their representatives, rather than trying to Gerrymander a republican majority regardless of the voters' preferences. That's better.

Border security was better under Obama; we see large increases in illegal aliens entering our country under Trump. Would you like learn why?

Oh, and the wall won't help at all...

And as you learned earlier, the United States makes a profit on illegal aliens coming to work here. Indeed, if we could somehow send them all back now, we'd have a severe recession. Would you like to see the numbers?

 

[Aldebaran]

Border security was better under Obama; we see large increases in illegal aliens entering our country under Trump. Would you like learn why?

Because Obama refused to do anything about it, and now Trump has to deal with the mess he inherited from Obama's inaction.

And as you learned earlier, the United States makes a profit on illegal aliens coming to work here. Indeed, if we could somehow send them all back now, we'd have a severe recession. Would you like to see the numbers?

Is this what you call profitable? 'We’ve never seen anything like this': As Trump threatens to close border, migrants overwhelm Texas cities

 

[Shiloh Raven]

A party that retains enough faith in the American people to let them chose their representatives, rather than trying to Gerrymander a republican majority regardless of the voters' preferences. That's better.

Border security was better under Obama; we see large increases in illegal aliens entering our country under Trump. Would you like learn why?

Oh, and the wall won't help at all...

And as you learned earlier, the United States makes a profit on illegal aliens coming to work here. Indeed, if we could somehow send them all back now, we'd have a severe recession. Would you like to see the numbers?

The bottom line in all of this is that the Republicans who support and defend Trump don't have any moral standing to point a judgmental finger at any liberal politician or at liberals in general.

 

[The Barbarian]

Because Obama refused to do anything about it, and now Trump has to deal with the mess he inherited from Obama's inaction.

Actually, Obama deported more illegal aliens than any president so far. But he focused on the dangerous criminals first.

The U.S. is deporting people more slowly than during the Obama administration despite President Donald Trump’s vast immigration crackdown, according to new data from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

From Feb. 1 to June 30, ICE officials removed 84,473 people — a rate of roughly 16,900 people per month. If deportations continue at the same clip until the fiscal year ends Sept. 30, federal immigration officials will have removed fewer people than they did during even the slowest years of Barack Obama's presidency.
Trump deportations lag behind Obama levels

By now, you should have realized Trump is all hat and no cattle.

 

[Aldebaran]

The bottom line in all of this is that the Republicans who support and defend Trump don't have any moral standing to point a judgmental finger at any liberal politician or at liberals in general.

Are you saying that those who support Trump would have a better moral standing if we get in line with his haters and find fault with everything he says and does, just because he's Trump? Seems to be the line of thinking these days.

 

[Aldebaran]

The U.S. is deporting people more slowly than during the Obama administration despite President Donald Trump’s vast immigration crackdown, according to new data from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Here's why, according to Reuters: U.S. deportations down in 2017 but immigration arrests up - Reuters
"Another reason for fewer deportations was that although immigration arrests are up, a burgeoning backlog in U.S. immigration courts has slowed the removal of immigrants who claim they will be harmed if they are deported to their home countries."

 

[Gigimo]

Denial won't really do you any good now.

Questioning the very loose usage of the word "friends" means I'm proclaimed/labeled to be in denial that's a pretty big leap even for you Sigmund

 

[Gigimo]

Because Obama refused to do anything about it, and now Trump has to deal with the mess he inherited from Obama's inaction.

You know if he wanted I bet he could blame Bush just like Obama did, I doubt he would mind

 

[Aldebaran]

You know if he wanted I bet he could blame Bush just like Obama did, I doubt he would mind

Trump doesn't have the same victim mentality as Obama.

 

[The Barbarian]

Here's why, according to Reuters: U.S. deportations down in 2017 but immigration arrests up - Reuters
"Another reason for fewer deportations was that although immigration arrests are up, a burgeoning backlog in U.S. immigration courts has slowed the removal of immigrants who claim they will be harmed if they are deported to their home countries."

This is once consequence of Trump targeting people who aren't dangerous criminals. In one sense, it's attractive, if you're going after numbers. The "low-hanging fruit" are people who are here, behaving themselves, and working at jobs. The harder ones are the dangerous criminals, who tend to lay low.

But it's more than just mismanagement that's causing Trump to do a poor job; it's also a failure to use resources to stop illegal immigration at the border. Illegal immigration peaked in 2007, and was slowly declining until last year, when people began to take advantage of Trump's showboating to enter and stay illegally.

Illegal immigration to America is rising again
Lasting changes will require more than tough talk
Illegal immigration to America is rising again

 

[The Barbarian]

You know if he wanted I bet he could blame Bush just like Obama did, I doubt he would mind

Since Obama did a better job of removing illegal aliens than Bush did, he didn't have to make excuses. Trump is failing at his job, and of course "we're so busy separating children from their parents, we don't have time to secure the border" becomes Trump's excuse.