What do Democrats see in Ocasio-Cortez?

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It's only easy if you specify white people in your search. But just type in the more general "hate crime" in a google search and you won't get there that easily. I did it and scrolled through 5 pages of search results and didn't find even one result that involved a white person being seen as the victim.
You asked about white people. I gave you an example. Don't change the goalposts.


Easier than you think. Jussie Smollett.
Was someone charged with a hate crime in Smollett's case? No? Then that is irrelevant.

You claimed the law was "used and abused" to give "preferential treatment to certain people based on the color of their skin". Get back to me when you find some evidence of that.
 
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You asked about white people. I gave you an example. Don't change the goalposts.

What I asked you is how many times you see news stories about hate crimes being reported. You posted one and said it took you only a minute to find it. That's when I told you that it only takes that long if you specify only white people rather than how many times you have seen it reported.

Was someone charged with a hate crime in Smollett's case? No? Then that is irrelevant.

You claimed the law was "used and abused" to give "preferential treatment to certain people based on the color of their skin". Get back to me when you find some evidence of that.

Talk about changing the goalposts.....
Yes, I said it was used and abused. Jussie Smollett did exactly that by using the fact that the law exists in order to gain sympathy for being a "victim" of a hate crime. Got it?
 
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What I asked you is how many times you see news stories about hate crimes being reported. You posted one and said it took you only a minute to find it. That's when I told you that it only takes that long if you specify only white people rather than how many times you have seen it reported.
And I gave you an example...

Talk about changing the goalposts.....
Yes, I said it was used and abused. Jussie Smollett did exactly that by using the fact that the law exists in order to gain sympathy for being a "victim" of a hate crime. Got it?
The only thing I get is that you don't seem to have the ability to support your claims. You said that the law was "used and abused" to give "preferential treatment to certain people based on the color of their skin".

What special treatment did Smollett get because of hate crime laws? Sure, he got some sympathy when he first told the story of his "attack". Anyone would, be they black, white, or green with pink polka dots. That doesn't have anything to do with hate crime laws though.

So I still await some support for your claim that hate crime laws are "used and abused" to give "preferential treatment to certain people based on the color of their skin". Get back to me when you find some evidence of that.
 
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The only thing I get is that you don't seem to have the ability to support your claims. You said that the law was "used and abused" to give "preferential treatment to certain people based on the color of their skin".


That's right. And I gave an example of someone using and abusing the law to gain sympathy for himself. If you're not willing to accept that he did that, I can't help you.

What special treatment did Smollett get because of hate crime laws? Sure, he got some sympathy when he first told the story of his "attack". Anyone would, be they black, white, or green with pink polka dots. That doesn't have anything to do with hate crime laws though.

If he would have been believed, as so many others have been, someone would have to pay the price. Apparently, Smollett was willing to let Trump supporters and white people in general and anti-gay people pay the price.

So I still await some support for your claim that hate crime laws are "used and abused" to give "preferential treatment to certain people based on the color of their skin". Get back to me when you find some evidence of that.

You're asking me to prove to a blind man what color the sky is. Gain sight, and then we'll have a common frame of reference.
 
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That's right. And I gave an example of someone using and abusing the law to gain sympathy for himself. If you're not willing to accept that he did that, I can't help you.
Ah moving the goal posts again. Sure he did it to gain sympathy for himself. However, your original claim was that the laws are "used and abused" to gain "preferential treatment" not sympathy. I'll ask again, what preferential treatment did he get that anyone else that was a victim of an attack as he described would not get?

BTW, in case you aren't aware, sympathy is not preferential treatment.

If he would have been believed, as so many others have been, someone would have to pay the price. Apparently, Smollett was willing to let Trump supporters and white people in general and anti-gay people pay the price.
Who exactly would have paid the price if he had been believed? There was no racially motivated attack so there is no one to pay the price.

You're asking me to prove to a blind man what color the sky is. Gain sight, and then we'll have a common frame of reference.
I see perfectly well that you can't provide any evidence to support your claims so you are shifting the burden to me in an attempt to obfuscate that fact.
 
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Ah moving the goal posts again. Sure he did it to gain sympathy for himself. However, your original claim was that the laws are "used and abused" to gain "preferential treatment" not sympathy. I'll ask again, what preferential treatment did he get that anyone else that was a victim of an attack as he described would not get?

BTW, in case you aren't aware, sympathy is not preferential treatment.

I see you're moving the goalpost about what my answers can be. No point in continuing to please someone who decides for others what to say.

Who exactly would have paid the price if he had been believed? There was no racially motivated attack so there is no one to pay the price.

Now you want me to tell you exactly who would have paid the price? If he was believed, the police would have been continuing to investigate and would have arrested whoever they thought might have been the alleged perpetrator. Good thing cameras were present.
(Here's the point where you can accuse me of moving goalposts because I didn't give you an exact person's name).

I see perfectly well that you can't provide any evidence to support your claims so you are shifting the burden to me in an attempt to obfuscate that fact.

You're the one shifting the goalposts, so the burden becomes yours.
 
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I can't think of a society where a group that is historically oppressed commits most of the hate crimes. It's just not human nature.

History is history, and they were oppressed by the democrats. Now they're exploited by the democrats.
 
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Aldebaran moved the goal posts, and The Babarian still goaled on his arguments. No contest.

AOC is a freshman Democratic Socialist in Congress and the silly alt right are acting like she is Skade to Uhtred. How goofy.

Making excuses for the little socialist? She'll be needing more of those when her term is up if she wants to be elected again.
 
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No one is making excuses except Aldebaran.

She is winner, her opponents are not.

I wasn't aware that you have been promoted to the position of Ultimate Judge of Truth.
 
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I thought the only real requirement in the President Trump era was being able to drive the opposition party crazy? And unlike President Trump she not only drives them crazy she also knows what she's talking about while she's doing it! :)
tulc(some people can do either/or, she does both!) :oldthumbsup:
 
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She's not my favorite, but she sure does make all the right people hyperventilate.

I guess you're not referring to me since my breathing rate is quite regular. :)
 
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How's 28 years of getting out and being directly involved in political and social justice activism (Native American, minorities, LGBTQ)? I was 18 when I first started and I'm 46 years old now. I also grew up surrounded by conservative Republicans, so there's that personal experience I can draw from too.

As I have said before, if I meet a conservative who is genuinely concerned and interested in being involved in social justice and political activism of any kind, then I consider that conservative to be an exception and not the rule. 28 years of dealing with various conservatives has taught me that lesson.

Wow. Congratulations. I beat you in years. Do I get a pat on back now too? I don't need the trophy but I gather you do. I grew up with both conservatives and Liberals. I can draw from both. Both are more open minded than your point of view. So, like I said before - you need to get out more.

Your not interested in social justice of the genuine kind with statements such as yours. They are too bigoted. Your too narrow minded to see past your one way view. There are conservatives and liberals from all walks of life that can see a way wider frame of life than you at this time, and maybe you need to get out more than just your neighborhood. People that are 'genuinely concerned' as you put it? They tend to ask more questions, and see more from others points of view. Both true liberals and conservatives have been able to open their minds to that - and so can you. That doesn't mean agreement 100%, but it does mean that they can see them more than the exception to the rule. That shows you have had a very narrow view of life in your 28 years of so called exploring things since the age of 18. To that one way of exploring it isn't really exploring after all. True exploring? It's seem as I can accept their way of looking at things, but I don't agree. Claiming exception the way your placed it? Definitely NOT liberal in the true sense. If you wish to go with the fluid definition of liberal? Sure. In the true sense? Not so much. Far left is more like it. Your using the wrong definition. Far left has a more bigoted point of view - just as the far right has. One thing they both have in common. lol might be the only thing, but it is common in both respects.
 
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