Pilgrim, out of respect of the Congressional forum if you would like to have further discussions,please refer me to a open forum on subject.
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Pilgrim, out of respect of the Congressional forum if you would like to have further discussions,please refer me to a open forum on subject.
I believe Gods word the Bible is absolute truth.
I really do not think our views are that far apart.Hello again Now Faith, I would think that the subject matter is one that is reasonable for discussion on this board, as so far it seems the only issue having to be addressed is emotional response.
Perhaps starting slow with shorter posts, lol, might convince others that a civil discussion is possible between believers of different views, lol.
Concering your response, thanks. Not sure how much time I have today but I will be here for a bit this morning.
Amen!
God bless.
I really do not think our views are that far apart.
You know there a so many views that just does not matter ,who is correct among Christians.
Does differing thoughts matter on the tribulation? Will not change what God does one bit.
But as steel sharpens steel our emotional responses,do come out.
If i am so blinded i can not learn from discussions,I will only maintain what little knowledge,I do have.
Hello Now Faith, I would in large part agree, there are some things we need to understand others are going to believe, and many of them because they have not had opportunity to learn how to...learn, lol. Discipleship is probably where we as the Church need to refocus with vigor.
You mention the Tribulation, and again I would agree for the most part. It is odd but this is one of the doctrines that has the habit of dividing. Particularly in relation to the Rapture (I am pre-trib, by the way). But discussion about this issue has helped me a great deal in a number of ways. If you asked me how important this was I would say that it is very imprtant, however, I always have to put rapture discussions down the line in favor of other discussions, because there are a number of other doctrines that should be straight before this one. If we understand why there is going to be a tribulation, we can better sort out the events of the tribulation, I feel. V5
Concerning emotional response, this was one of the first things the Lord began working on me about when I found the forums. I was like a kid in a candy store, as I love to talk to people about the Lord and doctrine, and on the forums...people come to you! How great is that? lol
I try very hard to stick with what scripture says, though with some groups, that is impossible. Like atheists, for instance. But, in talking to atheists, I have learned some valuable lessons on how to talk with atheists.
And lastly, we can learn from others, though it will be in a number of ways. One of the biggest lessons to learn, I believe, is if we simply look at the basis of belief that others have, we can at the least understand where they are coming from, why they believe what they do, and secondly, we may have the opportunity to correct an assumption they have by opening God's word. I think it was when I began speaking with atheists that this lesson was brought to my attention. Many hate God and Christians for some really very trifling reasons. Some of them have never actually been exposed to Christians but think they have. Some of them have a natural understanding of scripture, and therefore hate God because they simply misunderstand a number of passages. That is not to say that by simply putting things into context they are wonderously saved, but I have seen some atheists stop frequenting atheist boards, which I am in hope that is a positive step.
Okay, only have a few minutes this morning, so, thanks for the response and look forward to some good discussion, my friend.
God bless.
The number of Baptist Clergy that ACCEPT the existence and continuation is growing, while the number of Baptist organizations that actually PRACTICE the continuation of the GIfts, and tongues is still rather small (I heard 10% bandied about).
Time was that the SBC would give the "Left foot of fellowship" to a tongues speaker (they tossed 'em by the Box lot during the late '60s, and '70s).
The LAST Baptist church I joined ("New Haven" Baptist in Sheffield Village, OH - SBC) knew I was a wild-eyed tongues speaking Charismatic, but they welcomed me into their fellowship anyway on my statement of Faith. And they didn't mind that I played the Banjo, either (Pastor White was from West Virginia).
The times, they are a-changing.
The number of Baptist Clergy that ACCEPT the existence and continuation is growing, while the number of Baptist organizations that actually PRACTICE the continuation of the GIfts, and tongues is still rather small (I heard 10% bandied about).
Time was that the SBC would give the "Left foot of fellowship" to a tongues speaker (they tossed 'em by the Box lot during the late '60s, and '70s).
The LAST Baptist church I joined ("New Haven" Baptist in Sheffield Village, OH - SBC) knew I was a wild-eyed tongues speaking Charismatic, but they welcomed me into their fellowship anyway on my statement of Faith. And they didn't mind that I played the Banjo, either (Pastor White was from West Virginia).
The times, they are a-changing.
Hi everyone. I am just curious as to what Baptists believe about speaking in tongues. I was raised Southern Baptist but I don't remember this issue ever coming up in church. I am slowly beginning to do research about various denominations because I am considering possibly going back to church again. Anyway, if you could, please identify which specific Baptist denomination you are in. I'll appreciate your answers.
God Bless,
Holly
I don't believe that tongues is at all necessary. The 'tongues that the disciples spoke at Pentecost were the known languages of that time--NOT unknown tongues. The people then heard the gospel in their own languages--not in gibberish.
Hello Everyone, I realize this is a hotly debated topic and for the time being I will keep my opinion to myself, but I do have some naive curiosities. If the apostolic gifts are still in use today the way they were back in bible times. How come we are clearing out hospitals of there sick and morgues of their dead? It seems a little convenient to me that these "gifts" are always confined to local churches with no real evidence. Please, let know one take offense to what I just said, as I'm only sharing what I've seen through my eyes. Would anyone who does believe in the gifts give me an idea about where this thought process leads? Thank you!
Hi everyone. I am just curious as to what Baptists believe about speaking in tongues. I was raised Southern Baptist but I don't remember this issue ever coming up in church. I am slowly beginning to do research about various denominations because I am considering possibly going back to church again. Anyway, if you could, please identify which specific Baptist denomination you are in. I'll appreciate your answers.
God Bless,
Holly
Sincerity doesn't equate to action being right. Someone can be extremely sincere and be so far from the truth, yet have a rational reason from their hermeneutic. For me, I respect Wayne Grudem the most from all those who believe the gifts of the Spirit exist today, but I still believe he is wrong. This means one of us is believing false doctrine on this issue. If he is wrong, his sincerity in what he does means it's empty gibberish and he is promoting false doctrine. If I'm wrong it means I'm promoting false doctrine.Ok my wife ( raised church of God) and I (raised southern independent devil stompin King James Version dresses and pants wearing short hair cuts for men and that's how it's gonna be baptist) have had this discussion numerous times. I have been to church of God assemblies and heard tongues that I felt were genuinely a gift from God. On the other hand I have heard some that made me cringe knowing these people were putting on a show. I believe God, if you are worshipping him with a correct heart and attitude of servitude, will bless you and speak to and through you in accordance with your denomination. Meaning if you believe in tongues he will show and grant you those signs but I don't believe they are must haves for true worship. That being said, think about this, America has an army, a navy, a coast guard, an Air Force, a national guard, and marines. While all of these organizations have different methods of training and they all claim to be the best and toughest of them all, they are all there to do the same job which is to defend America and her allies. If you have Christ in your heart and you are moving his banner and word forward it doesn't matter what "team" you are on as long as you are preaching the truth
You seem to have an unfortunate presupposition that undermines your statement. You seem to have the idea that in Bible times God healed the people so that we should be 'clearing out hospitals of the sick and morgues of their dead' if God is continuing to do that today.
The fact is that your theology is not that found in the NT. Who was the fellow that Paul left sick at Miletus? Trophimus (see 2 Tim 4:20).
Did Jesus heal all people? No, he didn't. Take a read of Mark 6:1-6 (ESV).
Oz