What did Jesus really mean when he said turn the other cheek ?

[Soulx3]

So you are saying the Catholic church got off to a good start pre-gentile with a healthy Hebrew congregation.

Are you not aware that when Jesus founded Christianity (Catholicism) many Jews, Gentiles, etc., converted to Christianity? Are you not aware that Jesus said He wants to bring all other folds into His one fold?

 

[timothyu]

Are you not aware that Jesus said He wants to bring all other folds into His one fold?

Yes but in the beginning they were all Hebrew and He said He was going to His nations (Hebrew) first. So that means the universal church was only universal in the beginning within the House of Israel before Cornelius came along, and even he was already a proselyte within the Jewish faith and not entirely gentile.

 

[Soulx3]

Yes but in the beginning they were all Hebrew and He said He was going to His nations (Hebrew) first. So that means the universal church was only universal in the beginning within the House of Israel before Cornelius came along, and even he was already a proselyte within the Jewish faith and not entirely gentile.

Um, no... His Church was founded in Israel, but that doesn't mean "universal" is limited to Israel.... That's asinine logic considering Jesus died for all mankind, not just those of Israel. He wanted to convert all souls, Jews and non-Jews, and thus people across the whole word, to Christianity (Catholicism). That's why for three years He prepared His apostles to spread the Word of God to people across the world.

 

[timothyu]

His Church was founded in Israel, but that doesn't mean "universal" is limited to Israel....

I know.. but we were talking about the very beginnings of the Catholic church and that was it, Hebrew only

 

[Peacemaker1]

What misconception? It's a fact that Jesus founded Christianity and Catholic Christians were the only ones who go back as far as Jesus, over two thousand years ago. Every other Christian denomination founded by other men came centuries later.

apostle Paul is the church by example, and everyone following in the same example of Christ.


1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[Peacemaker1]

If they belonged to the Christian Catholic Church Jesus founded then they were Christian Catholics, because Jesus intended Jews, Gentiles, people of all folds, to come into His one fold. Unfortunately, centuries after His Church's inception, other men formed their own Christian denomination, rather than join or remain in Jesus's Christian (Catholic) fold that He founded.

the fold of Jesus hears Jesus Christ, not wolves in sheeps clothing.

to tell the difference is, the ones hired flee, and the Shepherd of the sheep cares for them and lays HIs life down for them.

the apostles we see all lay their lives down. ( greater love has no man than this, to lay his life down for His friends)


any church that is full of people who take lives ( catholic church supporting wars/killing( is only murderers. ( wolves)

 

[Peacemaker1]

I know.. but we were talking about the very beginnings of the Catholic church and that was it, Hebrew only

There is no Catholic church, the church is to be presented to God holy without blemish. ( a meek and quiet Spirit)

Gods church begins with Him, He is not Hebrew.

We know God is Spirit, we cant worship God through man, we know Christ in the Spirit, not the flesh.



Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

 

[Soulx3]

I know.. but we were talking about the very beginnings of the Catholic church and that was it, Hebrew only

Jesus didn't only accept Hebrews into the Christian (Catholic Church)

 

[Soulx3]

any church that is full of people who take lives ( catholic church supporting wars/killing( is only murderers. ( wolves)

I'm sorry to see you have such a misguided view of Jesus's Church.

 

[timothyu]

There is no Catholic church

No argument

 

[timothyu]

Jesus didn't only accept Hebrews into the Christian (Catholic Church)

True, as it grew. But we were talking about the beginning and what I stated is fact.

 

[timothyu]

I'm sorry to see you have such a misguided view of Jesus's Church

There is no perfect organized hierarchal institutionalized whatever man wants to make it church because it contains imperfect humans who wish to make everything about themselves thus putting the focus on their own truths. Jesus' pure church was simply independent people who put the will of God ahead of their own because as He said, only God spoke truth, not man.

 

[Peacemaker1]

I'm sorry to see you have such a misguided view of Jesus's Church.

Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

here is how Jesus tells about defence...


John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

So we must decide which Kingdom we live in? Probably so. If this world, take up arms and be pro-gun. If his kingdom, accept maltreatment and be pacifist.

Not many "Christians" around then.

 

[Soulx3]

Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

People have misconceptions about Jesus's Church, so if you want to understand the truth I'm always here to clarify things for you if you choose. :]

 

[Soulx3]

There is no perfect organized hierarchal institutionalized whatever man wants to make it church because it contains imperfect humans...

Correct and I'm the first to remind people of that, but that doesn't change the fact that Jesus founded Christianity. He founded the Christian (Catholic) Church over two thousand years ago. He made Peter, an imperfect human, to be the first among equals as leader of that earthly Church. Since Peter there has been a successor of his position for over two thousand years. That position is that of the "Pope." Is he "infallible"? No, and many people misunderstand what Catholics mean when we say He's infallible. They should research it. List of misconceptions about Jesus's Church go on and on.

The fact that men centuries later founded their own Christian denominations goes against Jesus's will for ONE FOLD, not MULTIPLE FOLDS each with different beliefs which only confuse people and make themselves ask "What's the right one?" Only Jesus's Church, the one He founded, the Catholic Church, has the FULL truth. The others have bits. Even if EVERYONE recognized and accepted that the Christian (Catholic) Church is the Church Jesus founded, would there still be disagreements, questions, etc? YES! But that's human nature. It's still Jesus's Church where its leader is guided by the Holy Spirit as the person in that position always has been since Peter. We would have to trust that we will be guided through all our questions and disagreements just as the apostles had to work through their questions and disagreements as the first Christians who converted from Judaism, and they were lead through it all by the Holy Spirit.

 

[timothyu]

He made Peter, an imperfect human, to be the first among equals as leader of that earthly Church

Actually He said Peter was the first to speak truth from the Father, The Father's truth being the only truth his movement/church would be built upon. The only church at the time was the church of Jerusalem and that was run by His brother James.

 

[Peacemaker1]

So we must decide which Kingdom we live in? Probably so. If this world, take up arms and be pro-gun. If his kingdom, accept maltreatment and be pacifist.

Not many "Christians" around then.

Jesus Christ did not accept evil treatment, and be harmless by choice, it is because of that the devil is destroyed.

That is why Jesus allowed Peter to have a sword, as it is Christ who would show what to do with that sword now..



Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

 

[Peacemaker1]

People have misconceptions about Jesus's Church, so if you want to understand the truth I'm always here to clarify things for you if you choose. :]

the scriptures are clear, if you acknowledge them and agree to them, what do you have to explain.

 

[Peacemaker1]

Correct and I'm the first to remind people of that, but that doesn't change the fact that Jesus founded Christianity. He founded the Christian (Catholic) Church over two thousand years ago. He made Peter, an imperfect human, to be the first among equals as leader of that earthly Church. Since Peter there has been a successor of his position for over two thousand years. That position is that of the "Pope." Is he "infallible"? No, and many people misunderstand what Catholics mean when we say He's infallible. They should research it. List of misconceptions about Jesus's Church go on and on.

Regarding Peter and perfection..


Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

2 Peter 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.



Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.