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What did Jesus mean?

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Before I make any hasty conclusions that Jesus is no different from a radical terrorist, what on earth does he mean in this verse?

Luke 22:36

36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Skeptics oftenly use these type of verses to fuel their arguements, I obviously understand the metaphorical rhetoric when Jesus said "'I have not come to bring peace, but to send a sword" as he was talking in terms of lawnessness and sin (i.e. battling with Satan) but exactly what does this verse in particular mean? I read further on and it still doesn't make much sense, it goes off like this:

Luke 22:37

37It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

In Luke 22:35 Jesus asks:

35Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
"Nothing," they answered.

I'm literally baffled to the connection in all of this.
 

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It as a call to be ready for hardship and self-sacrifice.

IF YOU REMEMBER, when Peter draws his sword and cuts of an ear in his zeal to prevent Jesus' imminent arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus responds, "Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matthew 26:51-52).


The most important sentence in this passage, however, isn't about swords. Jesus quotes Isaiah and applies the quotation directly to his own mission:
"It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me.' Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." (22:37)​
Jesus has been speaking about preparing for the dangers ahead for his disciples. For Jesus, the danger will end in death, in fulfillment of scripture. Jesus is quoting from the last verse of a wonderful passage in Isaiah 52:13 - 53:12 describing the redemptive ministry of the Suffering Servant who takes upon himself the sins of others. The full verse from which Jesus quotes reads:
"Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors." (Isaiah 53:12)​
Jesus speaks to his disciples of a hostile world in which they are to spread the Gospel. Jesus dies alongside two thieves. But in his death he offers atonement and forgiveness: "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing" (Luke 23:34).

Dr. Ralph F. Wilson
 
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Before I make any hasty conclusions that Jesus is no different from a radical terrorist, what on earth does he mean in this verse?



Skeptics oftenly use these type of verses to fuel their arguements, I obviously understand the metaphorical rhetoric when Jesus said "'I have not come to bring peace, but to send a sword" as he was talking in terms of lawnessness and sin (i.e. battling with Satan) but exactly what does this verse in particular mean? I read further on and it still doesn't make much sense, it goes off like this:



In Luke 22:35 Jesus asks:



I'm literally baffled to the connection in all of this.
Christ is talking about His Church the Church millitant
which are His cristians on earth fighting for His Church.
Ron
 
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Before I make any hasty conclusions that Jesus is no different from a radical terrorist, what on earth does he mean in this verse?



Skeptics oftenly use these type of verses to fuel their arguements, I obviously understand the metaphorical rhetoric when Jesus said "'I have not come to bring peace, but to send a sword" as he was talking in terms of lawnessness and sin (i.e. battling with Satan) but exactly what does this verse in particular mean? I read further on and it still doesn't make much sense, it goes off like this:



In Luke 22:35 Jesus asks:



I'm literally baffled to the connection in all of this.
when a disciple showed him a sword, Jesus says "that is enough" Luke 22:38. I believe Jesus was getting annoyed even that they still were not understanding him by then that He is surely not always literal. I believe Jesus does not mean to literally take up a sword for most part, it is spiritual. sometimes the bible refers to Jesus' word as a sword. I also believe His word here can be used in other encouragements christians need, He does speak to us through His word and gives us more understanding as we need it. But that is not to say Jesus will never literally mean take up a sword, Revelation talks about battles and things, but I don't believe that is needed until Revelation times, Jesus says things like "turn the other cheek" at this time.

You need the HOly Spirit to really understand Jesus, without His help, the Bible is not going to do much sense. You need to have the spirit that is open to God and Truth, then He will show these spiritual things.
 
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Before I make any hasty conclusions that Jesus is no different from a radical terrorist, what on earth does he mean in this verse?



Skeptics oftenly use these type of verses to fuel their arguements, I obviously understand the metaphorical rhetoric when Jesus said "'I have not come to bring peace, but to send a sword" as he was talking in terms of lawnessness and sin (i.e. battling with Satan) but exactly what does this verse in particular mean? I read further on and it still doesn't make much sense, it goes off like this:



In Luke 22:35 Jesus asks:



I'm literally baffled to the connection in all of this.
Jesus is talking to His Disciples. Prior to this, He instructed them to be completely dependent on the people they were staying with. See Luke 9:3-4.

Now...Jesus is getting ready for his arrest and subsequent death on the cross. He knows that His disciples are going to be in physical danger, because they are "followers" of Jesus.
Jesus is preparing them to be more independent....
 
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Before I make any hasty conclusions that Jesus is no different from a radical terrorist, what on earth does he mean in this verse?

Skeptics oftenly use these type of verses to fuel their arguements, I obviously understand the metaphorical rhetoric when Jesus said "'I have not come to bring peace, but to send a sword" as he was talking in terms of lawnessness and sin (i.e. battling with Satan) but exactly what does this verse in particular mean? I read further on and it still doesn't make much sense, it goes off like this:

In Luke 22:35 Jesus asks:

I'm literally baffled to the connection in all of this.

MY FRIEND,

The article below from "HARD SAYINGS OF THE BIBLE" by William C. Kaiser Jr., et. al., helped me understand this teaching. Sorry the quote is so long.

BUY A SWORD?

This is a hard saying in the sense that is is difficult to reconcile it with Jesus' general teaching on violence: violence was not the course for his followers to take. It is widely held that this saying was not meant to be taken literally, but if not, how was it meant to be taken?

It occurs in Luke's Gospel only. Luke reports it as part of a conversation between Jesus and his disciples at the Last Supper. Jesus reminds them of an earlier occasion when he sent them out on a missionary tour and told them not to take a purse (for money) or bag (for provisions) or sandals. Presumably, they could expect their needs to be supplied by well-disposed people along their route (Lk 10:4-7) But now things were going to be different: people would be reluctant to show them hospitality, for they might get into trouble for doing so. On that earlier occasion, as the disciples now agreed, they had lacked nothing. "But now," said Jesus, "if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag"--they would have to fend for themselves. More than that, "if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." If that is surprising, more surprising still is the reason he gives for this change of policy: "It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me."

It is doubtful if the disciples followed his reasoning here, but they thought they had got the point about the sword. No need to worry about that: "See, Lord," they said, "here are two swords." To which he replied, "That is enough" or, perhaps, "Enough of this."

Luke certainly does not intend his readers to understand the words literally. He goes on to tell how, a few hours later, when Jesus was arrested, one of the disciples let fly with a sword--probably one of the two which they had produced at the supper table--and cut off an ear of the high priest's slave. But Jesus said, "No more of this!" and healed the man's ear with a touch (Lk 22:49-51)

So what did he mean by his reference to selling one's cloak to buy a sword? He himself was about to be condemned as a criminal, "numbered with the transgressors," to use language applied to the Servant of the Lord in Isaiah 53:12. Those who until now had been his associates would find themselves treated as outlaws; they could no longer count on the charity of sympathetic fellow Israelites. Purse and bag would now be necessary. Josephus tells us that when Essenes went on a journey they had no need to take supplies with them, for they knew that their needs would be met by fellow members of their order; they did, however, carry arms to protect themselves against bandits.

But Jesus does not envisage bandits as the kind of people against whom his disciples would require protection; they themselves would be lumped together with bandits by the authorities, and they might as well act the part properly and carry arms, as bandits did. Taking him literally, the disciples revealed that they had anticipated his advice: they already had two swords. This incidentally shows how far they were from resembling a band of Zealot insurgents: such a band would have been much more adequately equipped. And the words with which Jesus concluded the conversation did not mean that two swords would be enough; they would have been ludicrously insufficient against the band that came to arrest him, armed with swords and clubs. He meant "Enough of this!"--they had misunderstood his sad irony, and it was time to drop the subject. T. W. Manson rendered the words "Well, well." In contrast to the days when they had shared their Master's popularity, "they are now surrounded by enemies so ruthless that the possession of two swords will not help the situation. . . .

"This text has nothing to say directly on the question whether armed resistance to injustice and evil is ever justifiable. It is simply a vivid pictorial way of describing the complete change which has come about in the temper and attitude of the Jesish people since the days of the disciples' mission. The disciples understood the saying literally and so missed the point; but that is no reason why we should follow their example."
A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim
 
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It's about Jesus equipping us, for every good work!

HE is the one who supplies are needs, and He gave us comfort in that, while we have little resources, He is still able to supply.

It's also about being filled with the Holy Spirit, in that Jesus is talking about clothing..
 
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It's about Jesus equipping us, for every good work!

HE is the one who supplies are needs, and He gave us comfort in that, while we have little resources, He is still able to supply.

It's also about being filled with the Holy Spirit, in that Jesus is talking about clothing..

I see.....it's starting to make some sense now.
 
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I wish I knew why christians do this. Jesus was sanctioning self-defense, even by violence if necessary. There is nothing in the N.T. which nullifies this O.T. principle. There is nothing more unloving than letting your enemy murder your innocent neighbor. Such a thing is evil in God's eyes. This passage should be read in a normal straightforward way. There tendency on the part of many christians to allegorize any passage that goes against their theology. Pacifism is nowhere taught in the New Testament.
 
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