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What did Jesus mean "If you love me you will keep my commandments?"

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If we look at John 17 ,Christ assures God that He (Christ) has taught the disciples everything He was sent to teach them "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world.They were yours you gave them to me .Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.8.For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them.They knew with certainty that I came from you,and they believed that you sent me.9.I pray for them ,I am not praying for the world,but for those you have given me,for they are yours."(N.I.V.John.John.17:6-9)

So here we have a confident Christ presenting his "students" to God who have "graduated" to carry on with the Christian Good News ,after Christ has been voluntary sacrificed on the Cross.We are to love each other with the same love God has for us.In other words Greek Agapao love which we find in the passages already mentioned in Matthew above with reference to Deuteronomy is the standard of all embracing "love" which God gives and expects from us as "believers".

It is a love that bridges all differences in the body of Christ.A willingness to forgive as God forgives us Matthew 6:12.This is a lot easier said than done,of course esp. pertaining to traits such as the "acts of the sinful nature"(Eph 5:19-21) which we no doubt find in the church as well as between churches or dinominations.When we commit these sins between ourselves we in fact send Christ back to the Cross and reopen those old wounds which He recieved for our salvation "and as another scripture says ,'They will look on the one they have pierced'.(John.19:37)So we have to "love" each other with all our individual "dislikes and likes" whether we "like" it or not.Christ did not sacrifice himself for nothing.According to Strong's Hebrew and GreekDictionies,this "love" is nothing less than:
"agapaō
ag-ap-ah'-o
Perhaps from ἄγαν agan (much; or compare [H5689]); to love (in a social or moral sense): - (be-) love (-ed). Compare G5368."
Therefore anything else means nothing to God unless it is done in this form of love.This is what Christ prayed for before He was sacrifed in His prayer on our behalf in Jn 17.So lets live up to what is expected of us as brother and sisters in Christ,as simply put in Mt.22:37-40.
 
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...So what commandments does He Jesus mean? Is it the 10? Thanks for your input and prayers God Bless.

Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. A second likewise is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Mat. 22:37-39

Love God means you keep God’s commandments, that are all in love your neighbor as yourself:

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:3


Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," [TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"] and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.

Romans 13:8-10
 
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Lamb7...when Christ found us... in LOVE with Him were we? How can we love someone we dont know. Most here I would guess will say "YES I LOVE JESUS".. do you know Him like you know your spouse your mom and dad or your best friend?

This is NOT a walk where you hold hands with EVERYONE else and Jesus lol. Its a personal walk. He is a personal GOD. So.. you see Him with all your heart soul and mind.. love your neighbor as your self. You do these and you are doing the law. All the law is in this.

See He asks us to have faith.. to trust that EVERYTHING He says.. if we keep His word.. have faith that when we do this.. EVERYTHING works our for our best through Him. Gods WAYS.. man will come the laws or rules.. yet its His way of having everything He wants us to have..to enjoy this world that He made for us.

If we don't love our neighbor...if we hate our enemy.. this opens a DOOR so to speak for the enemy to get in and bring destruction. If we love our neighbor.. love our enemy...the blessings and joy of the lord and.. WOW.. with your FATHER IT NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER STOPS! He gives and gives and gives and gives. He is your GOD He is your Daddy.. He is NOT against you..He is for you. And though some things may seem hard.. yet.. His plan...oh what HE HAS STARTED IN YOU.. He will finish.

So.. seek Him.. put Him 1st.. there is NO NONE condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.. He does not judge you.. The more you draw near to Him He does to you. And.. you will see find a love you have never seen or known. Just take it ALL by faith. If He said it He will do it
Some people. Just gotta shake my head in utter amazement and disbelief. Comparing God to a spouse for relationship. Just WOW!

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Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. A second likewise is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Mat. 22:37-39

Love God means you keep God’s commandments, that are all in love your neighbor as yourself:

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:3


Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," [TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"] and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.

Romans 13:8-10
Is I John 3:23 a commandment of God? If it is it locks out the OT covenant law with the words of Jesus. Here's the quote -

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Jn 15

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Some people. Just gotta shake my head in utter amazement and disbelief. Comparing God to a spouse for relationship. Just WOW!

bugkiller

How, BK, do you understand man and the Marriage of the Lamb in THIS fallen life?

Arsenios
 
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Some people. Just gotta shake my head in utter amazement and disbelief.

That is why we are here, yes?

Comparing God to a spouse for relationship.

Joh 17:3
And this is Life Eternal,
that they should be knowing You, the One True God,
and Jesus Christ,
Whom Thou hast sent.


Adam knew Eve and she conceived...
This is the Language of the Hebrews...
Knowing God is MORE intimate than spousal relations

It is not carnal...

Carnal knowledge in marriage is shallow compared to knowing Christ-God...
It is but an undefiled type of the reality of the Marriage of the Lamb...
Knowing God IS Life Eternal...

Knowing God is being One with Him...
And in Him...

"For me, to live is Christ...
To die is gain..."

Paul's words...

Just WOW!

An appropriate response...

Arsenios
 
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Hey I know this has probably been posted a lot but I have really been thinking about this verse. I realize and believe works DO NOT save us, Jesus sacrifice does.

I have been switching my focus from a life of fear to a life of love. I have treated God, and the people I love most as a a result of fear and them leaving me etc. Which is not sound in the mind at all.

I want to love, serve and obey God (and people too!) out of pure love and not out of fear of Hell.

Please pray for me I really feel The Holy Spirit working on me and could use some prayer warriors :prayer:

So what commandments does He Jesus mean? Is it the 10? Thanks for your input and prayers God Bless.
He said, and I paraphrase, "the words I speak are not mine but are the words of He who sent me." So, these are God's commandments and are not burdensome as John wrote, in fact, we are to do them in love which is why John said "this is the love of God, that we obey His commandments." The covenant was the 10 Words/Commandments (Deut. 4:13) and they are fulfilled in loving God and neighbor (when we love God we serve Him alone, don't take His name in vain, guard His Sabbath, etc. and when we love neighbor we don't steal from him, kill him, etc.) so these are the same "commandments" Israel was expected to follow.
 
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Is I John 3:23 a commandment of God? If it is it locks out the OT covenant law with the words of Jesus. Here's the quote -

I don’t think Bible says it is a commandment for all. But I also don’t see how it would lock out the OT covenant.
 
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Some people. Just gotta shake my head in utter amazement and disbelief. Comparing God to a spouse for relationship. Just WOW!

bugkiller
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name...

He who has the bride is the Bridegroom....

The Spirit and the Bride say Come!...

I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. For I promised you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.
 
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How, BK, do you understand man and the Marriage of the Lamb in THIS fallen life?

Arsenios
The Christian is not fallen man. The Christian is a new creature. Yes the fallen man (old nature) still exists and will until the parting of body and soul. Some serve the flesh and others serve God.
 
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That is why we are here, yes?



Joh 17:3
And this is Life Eternal,
that they should be knowing You, the One True God,
and Jesus Christ,
Whom Thou hast sent.


Adam knew Eve and she conceived...
This is the Language of the Hebrews...
Knowing God is MORE intimate than spousal relations

It is not carnal...

Carnal knowledge in marriage is shallow compared to knowing Christ-God...
It is but an undefiled type of the reality of the Marriage of the Lamb...
Knowing God IS Life Eternal...

Knowing God is being One with Him...
And in Him...

"For me, to live is Christ...
To die is gain..."

Paul's words...



An appropriate response...

Arsenios
No where did I compare spousal relations to a relationship with God. I did comment on that kind of statement of another poster.

bugkiller
 
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He said, and I paraphrase, "the words I speak are not mine but are the words of He who sent me." So, these are God's commandments and are not burdensome as John wrote, in fact, we are to do them in love which is why John said "this is the love of God, that we obey His commandments." The covenant was the 10 Words/Commandments (Deut. 4:13) and they are fulfilled in loving God and neighbor (when we love God we serve Him alone, don't take His name in vain, guard His Sabbath, etc. and when we love neighbor we don't steal from him, kill him, etc.) so these are the same "commandments" Israel was expected to follow.
The evidence is Jesus is not quoting The Father in Jn 15:10.

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For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name...

He who has the bride is the Bridegroom....

The Spirit and the Bride say Come!...

I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. For I promised you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.
So do you propose that we will have intimate relations with Jesus like a man and wife? Uncle!

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The Christian is not fallen man. The Christian is a new creature. Yes the fallen man (old nature) still exists and will until the parting of body and soul. Some serve the flesh and others serve God.

Christians have sinful natures -- this is irrefutable
 
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He said, and I paraphrase, "the words I speak are not mine but are the words of He who sent me." So, these are God's commandments and are not burdensome as John wrote, in fact, we are to do them in love which is why John said "this is the love of God, that we obey His commandments." The covenant was the 10 Words/Commandments (Deut. 4:13) and they are fulfilled in loving God and neighbor (when we love God we serve Him alone, don't take His name in vain, guard His Sabbath, etc. and when we love neighbor we don't steal from him, kill him, etc.) so these are the same "commandments" Israel was expected to follow.

Amen - Christ argues against the fiction being promoted in modern times that Christ was at war with the word of the Father.


John 14
9 Jesus said to him, ""Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, "Show us the Father'?
10 ""Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
11 ""Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
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15 "" If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.



John 12:
49 "" For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.

John 14:15 "" If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

This is interesting as it is the only quote of the actual text of the 2nd commandment found in the NT.

Ex 20:6 love Me and keep My commandments.

Hebrews 8:6-10 it is Christ speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai
 
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Eph 6:2 "Honor your father and mother for this is the FIRST commandment with a promise" in that still valid - unit of TEN

Matt 19 "Jesus said if you would enter into eternal life KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS" -- then the rich young ruler asked "WHICH ONES?" - And Jesus listed commandments from the TEN Commandments.

Romans 13 - Paul gives that SAME LIST -- unchanged even after the cross.

:)

It just does not get any easier than that!

Exodus 20:6 "LOVE Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:15 "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"
Jesus also said -

10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Jn 10

So what exactly is the truth? Can we indeed enter heaven by keeping the 10 Cs? My Bible says none do including those that make such a false claim as Mat 19 aptly shows us. Paul is not the only one making a statement that no one keeps the law. It is also found in the OT.

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So do you propose that we will have intimate relations with Jesus like a man and wife? Uncle!

bugkiller


NO. It is symbolic from what I see. Since we humans have relationships we can compare to God, God is invisible
so he gives us a picture or symbol by marriage or parents.
 
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