What did Adam look like?

[KCDAD]

whether you believe of the virgin birth or not, eh, that's all on you and your personal walk. I won't try and sway you but continue on with my walk.

Scholars are men of this world. They are not spiritual beings of Christ therefore they simply try and grasp concepts of Christ and hold no form of value in my eyes.

If you believe or not, doesnt alter the occurance, the belief of its occurance signifies that youre giving reverence to his acts and faith enlies in the fact that you trust him to be your savior and his coming again on the last day.

huh?


You don't try and grasp the concepts?

 

[coons786c]

ttt

 

[Prodical]

huh?


You don't try and grasp the concepts?

Meaning I am not ripping apart biblical text, hebrew translations and so on and so forth trying to make a worldy definition of Christ, his works, nor his words.

I don't seek worldy knowledge, but spiritual wisdom.

Ultimately, I ask, what does it matter, how Adam or anyone biblical looks like? Their attributes didn't save us. Christs laying down of his life in our stead saved us.

 

[KCDAD]

Meaning I am not ripping apart biblical text, hebrew translations and so on and so forth trying to make a worldy definition of Christ, his works, nor his words.

I don't seek worldy knowledge, but spiritual wisdom.

Ultimately, I ask, what does it matter, how Adam or anyone biblical looks like? Their attributes didn't save us. Christs laying down of his life in our stead saved us.

Look, I don't want to belabor the point. You are basing your faith on a worldly translation of oral traditions and church doctrines that are entirely man made, translated and edited. you have decided which men you are going to allow to determine your understanding of scripture... the Roman Empire of 300AD. I prefer better scholarship and more diverse opinions of culture, idioms and traditions that I get from more objective sources.

 

[Prodical]

Look, I don't want to belabor the point. You are basing your faith on a worldly translation of oral traditions and church doctrines that are entirely man made, translated and edited. you have decided which men you are going to allow to determine your understanding of scripture... the Roman Empire of 300AD. I prefer better scholarship and more diverse opinions of culture, idioms and traditions that I get from more objective sources.

Your point being?

I addressed that I don't care about you prefering more philosophical or educated references.
I operate directly from the bible. Nothing further.

 

[KCDAD]

Your point being?

I addressed that I don't care about you prefering more philosophical or educated references.
I operate directly from the bible. Nothing further.

And we wonder why people think we Christians are naive, irrational and superstitious.
Can I ask you a specific question and a hope for a specific answer?

What translation do you use, from what language is it translated, and what does 2 Timothy 3:16 say?

 

[Prodical]

And we wonder why people think we Christians are naive, irrational and superstitious.
Can I ask you a specific question and a hope for a specific answer?

What translation do you use, from what language is it translated, and what does 2 Timothy 3:16 say?

I am none of the above so it would be in best interest as in biblical notation to speak of yourself.

and to entertain you, I use KJV from Hebrew translation

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Translation
All scipture is given to us through Gods Spirit and is beneficial for teaching, for rebuking, for correction, for the ways of the righteous



May I add, you, nor any of your theologians or any worldly certified professors are God, therefore your studies of him mean nothing to me. Only his direct word, that he gives me the wisdom as he does all of his sincere children, speak to me and give me the ability to understand what he is trying to convey to ME for MY PERSONAL relationship with him

 

[KCDAD]

I am none of the above so it would be in best interest as in biblical notation to speak of yourself.

and to entertain you, I use KJV from Hebrew translation

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Translation
All scipture is given to us through Gods Spirit and is beneficial for teaching, for rebuking, for correction, for the ways of the righteous



May I add, you, nor any of your theologians or any worldly certified professors are God, therefore your studies of him mean nothing to me. Only his direct word, that he gives me the wisdom as he does all of his sincere children, speak to me and give me the ability to understand what he is trying to convey to ME for MY PERSONAL relationship with him

All scripture.... ALL scripture. Even the Q'uran? Even Plato's Republic? Do you know what he meant by the word translated as scripture?

Or just The Torah? Or was Paul talking about books in our Bible that weren't even written yet... like the Gospels? Was he talking about books in our Old Testament that weren't included in any Canon?
My point is that you presume too much in interpreting this verse. You are taking it out of context and applying present interpretation that was never intended when it was written. Please consider this correction as being taught to you in love and truth.

 

[TScott]

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All this tells you is that Paul says that all scripture is given by inspiration of God.

 

[Prodical]

All scripture.... ALL scripture. Even the Q'uran? Even Plato's Republic? Do you know what he meant by the word translated as scripture?

Or just The Torah? Or was Paul talking about books in our Bible that weren't even written yet... like the Gospels? Was he talking about books in our Old Testament that weren't included in any Canon?
My point is that you presume too much in interpreting this verse. You are taking it out of context and applying present interpretation that was never intended when it was written. Please consider this correction as being taught to you in love and truth.

just as you so often argue....thats simply your interpretation so theres no one side or the other being right...the word is given for you to take it and apply it to yourself...not to be broken down in a certain form to be taught to everyone as the same

 

[KCDAD]

All this tells you is that Paul says that all scripture is given by inspiration of God.

just as you so often argue....thats simply your interpretation so theres no one side or the other being right...the word is given for you to take it and apply it to yourself...not to be broken down in a certain form to be taught to everyone as the same

See? This is my problem... Paul says "all scripture"... most of what we call The New Testament has not been written when Paul writes this. So What is "scripture"? All canonized writings? All religious writings? All of The Torah? Everything that will ever be written? What about all those scriptures that didn't get into our Bible, or got into some but not others.... like the end of the Gospel of Mark, The Gospel of Mary, or The Apocrypha?
What does inspiration mean? Does it mean what it means today? To be inspired... motivated, moved, aroused to special activity, or does it mean what doctors mean when they speak of breathing?
I can be inspired by the view of a beautiful rock formation in Utah to stop and take several photographs...to stop and praise God for such a beautiful creation.

So it means anything to anybody and everybody is right? I don't think Paul would appreciate that too much. In fact Paul was pretty concerned about people misinterpreting scripture, teachings and doctrines. (Circumcision, sabbath, spiritual gifts, grace and works, etc)

 

[threedog]

Yep. I do believe that, while its not IN the bible, God also made other people after adam and eve.
Sure. Different time, different animals. Who knows what size fish they might have had back then. ~shrug~
Yep. There is proof to support the theory of a world-wide flood.
~nods~ All things are possible with God.
Since all things are under God's control, and his very will sustains existance, I see no problem.
Who hasn't? I have, many a time. (Though, I speak of mentally, not physically. That would be fun though! )
~nods~
Well, this I'm not sure about. Sure, there might be angels who watch over us as we are about to die, but Christ is the one with the power over life and death, no one else.

So.. I have to go with no.

100%. If we are to believe that living a christ-like life is going to grant us rewards in HEAVEN, then we must also believe that NOT living a Christ-like life sows us punishment in HELL. ~shrug~ I don't see how a Christian could not believe in hell.

I'm afraid it is all a fairytale.

threedog