What day of the week was Jesus resurrected? And how do we know?

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Certainly it is true that Sunday is week-day1 the day Jesus was raised from the dead.
And it is true that Saturday is the 7th day - the Bible Sabbath.

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


And certainly you are right that over the centuries man-made traditions came along seeking to make week-day-1 the Sabbath
You seem to have missed the rest of my post wherein a legalistic approach to the laws has been superseded by a life of grace. In other words it doesn't actually matter which day you treat as a sabbath, as long as you keep a sabbath day of rest. Particularly important for those who have to work Saturdays.
 
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This one should be easy.

There is in fact one area where almost everyone agrees.


On all the debate threads about the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath Commandment, the Law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-33 -- what is the ONE point that in the modern age almost all who post agree upon?

Answer: Saturday is the 7th day - the Bible Sabbath (and that makes Sunday -- week day 1 -- the first day of the week)

Exodus 20:10-11
10 .. the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


So while we can find many who want the Ten Commandments nailed to the cross, abolished, or at least have them downsized to the NINE Commandments with one nailed to the cross etc - the one thing that remains common to almost all in these modern debates is that Saturday is the 7th day.

So then Sunday is "week day 1" - the day that Christ was raised from the dead - making Saturday the 7th day of the week not just by Jewish and Muslim standards but also by Christian standards.

Luke 24
On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

John 20
Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”

Mark 16
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3 and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?”

4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.

Matthew 28
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

Jews and Christians keep Saturday as the 7th day - the Bible Sabbath.
Many Christians keep Sunday as week-day-1 - the day Jesus was raised
Yester-day he was raised. For To-day the kingdom of God has come upon you. The day of the Lord is at hand.
 
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Agreed.

But in the NT - Passover is always called "Passover"
I am not quite sure what you mean here. We do have the feast of unleavened bread called the Passover as well.

Lu 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.


True and that Sabbath on the day of the Crucifixion was a "high Sabbath" -- two Sabbaths on the same day - the 15th was a weekly Sabbath that particular year.
My understanding is, He died on a Friday. Which Friday if it means a Roman day, began at midnight. For Jews the sixth day of the week would have begun the evening before. So unleavened bread would have been a festival Sabbath (high Sabbath), which fell on the sixth day of the week, Friday. Which also would have been the first day of the weeklong feast. But the second day of Passover.
Le 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread
Nu 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.



But you can't have "week-day-1" as the "Third day" in any scenario outside of a Friday Crucifixion - since they are saying it - in Luke 24 -- late in the evening on Sunday and Christ is already risen.
Why not?
It was the third day of Passover, the third day of the Feast of Passover. Which day was the beginning of the counting of the days, and weeks (aka Sabbaths).

Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.

They were to count the days and the weeks. Christ arose on the first day of those weeks. Beginning from the morrow of the the festival Sabbath which was on the 15th. therefore the weeks until Pentecost would have all have begun on a Sunday that year. which The Sadducees would have them always begin on a Sunday every year. Evidently the Essenes would have done so as well. They however would have begun the count a week later than the Sadducees.

15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

Which 50th day is Pentecost of course.

Somewhat an interesting thing.....They argued over these days long before Christ came. the Church also finds itself doing likewise at times.

considering the two ruling sects disagreed concerning what day was meant by "the morrow after the Sabbath", perhaps this scripture takes on a fuller aspect among them that particular year. As a reconciliation of their two liturgical calenders agreeing that year???????
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
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Jesus was buried on the sixth day (Friday) before sunset.
Jesus was in the tomb from sunset to sunset on the Sabbath.
Jesus rose early on the first day, before sunrise.
So after all, even the early christians got something wrong. But we can hardly blame them, since they were unaware that the jewish calendar was different than the roman calendar at that time.

The jewish passover was not fixed after weekdays. Basically the special sabbath started on wednesday evening, and so the idea of "long friday" should be rather "long wednesday".
Anyway, take this link for some information: Does Passover Always end on the Sabbath day?
And maybe also try to google jewish calendar or something.
 
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The law says there are festival Sabbaths which are distinct from the weekly Sabbath.

Agreed.

But in the NT - Passover is always called "Passover"

The feast of unleavened bread is a Sabbath on the 15th day and the 21st day of the first month every year. These are fixed Sabbaths by the date in the year.

True and that Sabbath on the day of the Crucifixion was a "high Sabbath" -- two Sabbaths on the same day - the 15th was a weekly Sabbath that particular year.

Therefore we could have....
!4th day Passover killed
15th day feast unleavened bread begins (A festival Sabbath) regardless the day of the week it falls
16th day the first day of weeks ( 7 Sabbaths, aka weeks) begins.

But you can't have "week-day-1" as the "Third day" in any scenario outside of a Friday Crucifixion - since they are saying it - in Luke 24 -- late in the evening on Sunday and Christ is already risen.

I am not quite sure what you mean here. We do have the feast of unleavened bread called the Passover as well.

True but they are not simply called "the Sabbath" even once in the NT.

The Sabbath "according to the Commandment" has to do with the weekly Bible Sabbath

Lu 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.


My understanding is, He died on a Friday. Which Friday if it means a Roman day, began at midnight. For Jews the sixth day of the week would have begun the evening before. So unleavened bread would have been a festival Sabbath (high Sabbath), which fell on the sixth day of the week, Friday. Which also would have been the first day of the weeklong feast. But the second day of Passover.

The first day of unleavened bread is never called "the first day of the week" either in OT or NT.


Why not?
It was the third day of Passover, the third day of the Feast of Passover.

Luke 24 does not say "this is the third day of Passover"
Luke 24 does not say "this is the third day of the feast of Passover"
Luke 24 does not say "this is the third day of the week"

Luke 24 says it is the "first day of the week"
and that it is the "third day since these things happened"

20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him. 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.

It was the third day since Christ was crucified
 
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Agreed it should be easy... but I am not sure if you are asking a question (the heading) or making a statement (the OP).

Anyway, nobody disputes that the Jewish Sabbath was and is a Saturday, but it is a matter of historical record that Christians began to make Sunday the new Sabbath because that was the day that Jesus rose from the dead.

Certainly it is true that Sunday is week-day1 the day Jesus was raised from the dead.
And it is true that Saturday is the 7th day - the Bible Sabbath.

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


And certainly you are right that over the centuries man-made traditions came along seeking to make week-day-1 the Sabbath

You seem to have missed the rest of my post wherein a legalistic approach to the laws has been superseded by a life of grace. In other words it doesn't actually matter which day you treat as a sabbath, as long as you keep a sabbath day of rest. Particularly important for those who have to work Saturdays.

Not true at all.

1. God never had a legalistic gospel -- OT or NT
2. God was the one who enforced that 7th day - such that no manna fell on Saturday for 40 years. This is not because "God is legalistic" or "wanted to endorse a legalistic gospel'.
3. When God says "do not take God's name in vain" He is talking about " real life "
4. When God says the 7th day is the Sabbath - he is talking about real life

No Text in the Bible says "keep any day you wish as your Sabbath"

10" but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God." in a context where God specifically says "tomorrow is the Sabbath" Exodus 16 and not - "any day you pick"

We both know that no amount of creative writing will change that fact.
 
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Certainly it is true that Sunday is week-day1 the day Jesus was raised from the dead.
And it is true that Saturday is the 7th day - the Bible Sabbath.

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


And certainly you are right that over the centuries man-made traditions came along seeking to make week-day-1 the Sabbath



Not true at all.

1. God never had a legalistic gospel -- OT or NT
2. God was the one who enforced that 7th day - such that no manna fell on Saturday for 40 years. This is not because "God is legalistic" or "wanted to endorse a legalistic gospel'.
3. When God says "do not take God's name in vain" He is talking about " real life "
4. When God says the 7th day is the Sabbath - he is talking about real life

No Text in the Bible says "keep any day you wish as your Sabbath"

10" but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God." in a context where God specifically says "tomorrow is the Sabbath" Exodus 16 and not - "any day you pick"

We both know that no amount of creative writing will change that fact.
There seems to be two different texts that people read.
And certainly you are right that over the centuries man-made traditions came along seeking to make week-day-1 the Sabbath
There were man made traditions way before the New Testament was written.

There were man made traditions in the time of Christ.

There were man made traditions implemented ever since.

Now who claimed that the Sabbath was moved to the first day?

This is an erroneous claim, the Sabbath is the seventh day, the Sabbath cannot be observed on the first day.

Celebrating the resurrection of the Christ on the first day, has nothing to do with a Sabbath rest on a seventh day.

There seems to be a mountain of confusion over this point.

We don't gather to rest, we gather to celebrate the risen Christ, to break the bread!
 
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There were man made traditions way before the New Testament was written.

There were man made traditions in the time of Christ.

There were man made traditions implemented ever since.

Agreed.

Mark 7
‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.

8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
 
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Agreed.

Mark 7
‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.

8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
You have not commented on the rest of the post.

Now who claimed that the Sabbath was moved to the first day?

This is an erroneous claim, the Sabbath is the seventh day, the Sabbath cannot be observed on the first day.

Celebrating the resurrection of the Christ on the first day, has nothing to do with a Sabbath rest on a seventh day.

There seems to be a mountain of confusion over this point.

We don't gather to rest, we gather to celebrate the risen Christ, to break the bread!
 
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You have not commented on the rest of the post.

Now who claimed that the Sabbath was moved to the first day?

This is an erroneous claim, the Sabbath is the seventh day, the Sabbath cannot be observed on the first day.

Celebrating the resurrection of the Christ on the first day, has nothing to do with a Sabbath

First of all I agree with all of that except for the "Now who claimed that the Sabbath was moved to the first day?" statement.

Baptist Confession of Faith ---
The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)

22. Worship and the Sabbath Day

1. The light of nature shows that there is a God Who has lordship and sovereignty over all, is just and good, and Who does good to all. Therefore He is to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart and all the soul, and with all the might. But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God has been instituted by Himself, and therefore our method of worship is limited by His own revealed will. He may not be worshipped according to the imagination and devices of men, nor the suggestions of Satan. He may not be worshipped by way of visible representations, or by any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scriptures.


7. As it is the law of nature that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, should be set apart for the worship of God, so He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect. He has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy for Him. From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.

8. The Sabbath is kept holy to the Lord by those who, after the necessary preparation of their hearts and prior arranging of their common affairs, observe all day a holy rest from their own works, words and thoughts about their worldly employment and recreations, and give themselves over to the public and private acts of worship for the whole time, and to carrying out duties of necessity and mercy.

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Westminster Confession of Faith

Chapter XXI
Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day
I. The light of nature shows that there is a God, who has lordship and sovereignty over all, is good, and does good unto all, and is therefore to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart, and with all the soul, and with all the might.[1] But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by Himself, and so limited by His own revealed will, that He may not be worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the holy Scripture.[2]


VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[37]

VIII. This Sabbath is to be kept holy unto the Lord when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest all the day from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations,[38] but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.[39]

============================== Roman Catholic

The Faith Explained (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican II) states on Page 242 that

changing the Lord's day to Sunday was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name".

page 243

quote "nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"

=======================. (from "The Faith Explained" page 243.))

"we know that in the o.t it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...


The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...


nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
 
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Bob, you said, 'The soldiers at the tomb had seen the risen Christ'.

Where does it say that the soldiers saw the risen Christ?

Matthew 28
3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.
11“While they were going, behold, some of the guard went into the city and told the chief priests all that had taken place.

It was not the soldiers that "came up with the story" that the disciples came and stole the body of Jesus.
 
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I knew this would be a thread about the Sabbath rather than the resurrection.

Unsubscribing.


In the OP the exact day for Sabbath is the key to knowing that week-day-1 is Sunday. Obviously.

Not a detail "tolerated" by all.
 
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BobRyan said:
He "could" have raised Jesus from the dead on Saturday (Sabbath) - but He chose to do it on Sunday.

So how do you know that?
We are only told that the women went to the tomb early on Sunday morning - how do you know he wasn't raised at at 3.00 on Saturday afternoon? Or at 9.00 a.m Saturday morning?

1 Cor 15:4 " he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, say Jesus was to be raised "on the third day"

Luke 24 says "today is the third day" and Jesus was already risen as of early that morning. Week-day-1

That makes Saturday the 2nd day. And 9 AM on Saturday would not be an example of "rising the third day"

No one knows when Jesus was raised.
He was seen to have been raised on the 3rd day

Raised "on the third day".

1 Cor 15:4 " he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, say Jesus was to be raised "on the third day"

Luke 24 says "today is the third day" and Jesus was already risen as of early that morning. Week-day-1

Wishful thinking does not change those text -- as we both know.


. But there is a tradition - mentioned in the creed - that Jesus "descended to the dead" and preached to people who lived in OT times who had never had a chance to know him. He can't have done that while he was dead, so maybe he was raised on Saturday.

That "tradition" would need a closer look to see if perhaps you have missed something. but the Bible itself is clear - "raised the third day" and Sunday was "the third day"
 
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Matthew 28
3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.
11“While they were going, behold, some of the guard went into the city and told the chief priests all that had taken place.

It was not the soldiers that "came up with the story" that the disciples came and stole the body of Jesus.
Bob, the soldiers saw an angel sitting on the stone, the Lord was already gone.

2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. 3 And his appearance was like lightning...
 
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First of all I agree with all of that except for the "Now who claimed that the Sabbath was moved to the first day?" statement.

Baptist Confession of Faith ---
The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)

22. Worship and the Sabbath Day

1. The light of nature shows that there is a God Who has lordship and sovereignty over all, is just and good, and Who does good to all. Therefore He is to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart and all the soul, and with all the might. But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God has been instituted by Himself, and therefore our method of worship is limited by His own revealed will. He may not be worshipped according to the imagination and devices of men, nor the suggestions of Satan. He may not be worshipped by way of visible representations, or by any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scriptures.


7. As it is the law of nature that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, should be set apart for the worship of God, so He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect. He has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy for Him. From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.

8. The Sabbath is kept holy to the Lord by those who, after the necessary preparation of their hearts and prior arranging of their common affairs, observe all day a holy rest from their own works, words and thoughts about their worldly employment and recreations, and give themselves over to the public and private acts of worship for the whole time, and to carrying out duties of necessity and mercy.

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Westminster Confession of Faith

Chapter XXI
Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day
I. The light of nature shows that there is a God, who has lordship and sovereignty over all, is good, and does good unto all, and is therefore to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart, and with all the soul, and with all the might.[1] But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by Himself, and so limited by His own revealed will, that He may not be worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the holy Scripture.[2]


VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[37]

VIII. This Sabbath is to be kept holy unto the Lord when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest all the day from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations,[38] but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.[39]

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The Faith Explained (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican II) states on Page 242 that

changing the Lord's day to Sunday was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name".

page 243

quote "nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"

=======================. (from "The Faith Explained" page 243.))

"we know that in the o.t it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...


The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...


nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
The history of the church is a history of constant error, especially in minor doctrine.

Once again, the seventh day is the Sabbath and a Jewish day of rest, according to the law.

The first day is the day we celebrate, the day the apostles witnessed the resurrected Christ. On this day we break the bread!

One is a day of rest and the other is a celebration, very different days.

I am puzzled why these folk behind the Westminster Confession, could be so mistaken.
The have picked up this idea somewhere in the tradition of the church. They are incurable traditionalists just like the Catholics.
 
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Agreed.

But in the NT - Passover is always called "Passover"



True and that Sabbath on the day of the Crucifixion was a "high Sabbath" -- two Sabbaths on the same day - the 15th was a weekly Sabbath that particular year.



But you can't have "week-day-1" as the "Third day" in any scenario outside of a Friday Crucifixion - since they are saying it - in Luke 24 -- late in the evening on Sunday and Christ is already risen.



True but they are not simply called "the Sabbath" even once in the NT.

The Sabbath "according to the Commandment" has to do with the weekly Bible Sabbath

Lu 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.




The first day of unleavened bread is never called "the first day of the week" either in OT or NT.




Luke 24 does not say "this is the third day of Passover"
Luke 24 does not say "this is the third day of the feast of Passover"
Luke 24 does not say "this is the third day of the week"

Luke 24 says it is the "first day of the week"
and that it is the "third day since these things happened"

20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him. 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.

It was the third day since Christ was crucified
The count was of the days and the weeks (Sabbaths). So yes they did , in the count. In both days, as well as weeks. Josephus even says, "when a week of weeks has passed over this sacrifice (which weeks contain 49 days)". Which weeks were called Sabbaths.
I believe there is evidence in the Gospel of John concerning the count. The eighth day would have been the beginning of the second week or first day of the second week of weeks. Which Christ seemed to appear to them on the first day of the weeks, during weeks.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
 
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In the OP the exact day for Sabbath is the key to knowing that week-day-1 is Sunday. Obviously.

Yes, but the title of the thread "what day of the week was Jesus resurrected?" leads us to believe it is question about the resurrection. Not a reason, and agenda, to push 7th day Sabbath observance.

If you openly started a thread about the Sabbath and made it clear you wanted a proper debate - although I'm sure your position is pretty much fixed - I might join in. Otherwise, no.
 
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