What Day Of The Week Is The Sabbath?

FEZZILLA said:

Wrong! Now you just broke the 9th Commandment--a moral law--by wrongfully assuming that I was never a SDA!

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Correction, I said this:

"To those who might be interested, it appears that the person (origen) that FEZILLA is referring to is not even an SDA. So how could this person rightly testify to what we believe?"

Thus it appears that origen is not an SDA! I said nothing about you not being an SDA.

You know, judging by how you take what people say out of context, just as you did with what I had said, it is not surprising in the least bit that even though you were an SDA, you don't understand what we really believe.

I was one for most of my life until I witnessed them falsifying and fabricating evidence for their faith in...yes, New Age enlightenment! They are deliberately lying about what sunday keeping Christians believe and why we worship on Sunday.

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You know, it's people like you who make CF a bad place for Christian fellowship and discussion!

ThreeAM said:

If a Sunday keeper truely feels he is doing God's will by observing Sunday then he should be fine . There will be more Sunday keepers in heaven than Sabbath keepers IMHO.

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This is all I wanted you to answer. Thank you
I like SDA's that don't hold to White's teachings as though they were scripture.

FEZZILLA said:

This is all I wanted you to answer. Thank you
I like SDA's that don't hold to White's teachings as though they were scripture.

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My comments ARE NOT in conflict with EG White's teachings. Your comments through out this thread are non-factual. How about posting actual quotes from EGW's writtings or from the SDA offical beliefs instead of your flawed opinion.

ok yah got me I gotta beat no the dead horse for awhile.
(it just looks like so much fun!)

excerpts from genesis 1&2

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.






By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done






19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam [h] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [i] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, [k] '
for she was taken out of man."
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.


ok now first we see on day 6 God created humans both mail and female. on day 7 he rested.




we also see that betwen the creation of Adam and the creation of eve Adam named every living anamal.

I would propose to you that this took more than 24 hours.

I also propose that it is possible that these "days" were not limited to our concept of time.




now I'm bet some of you are wondering where I am going with this.




what if the sixth day was not cuncluded until Jesus finished his work on the cross (hence "it is finished") and the ot sabbath was always a forward looking odservation. what if God's resting on the seventh day was not something that was recorded after it happened. what if it was prophecy adout the messiah. (who then sat down and rested permenately in his seventh day)



seven=# of completion. Jesus said it is finished(completed)(completely completed)

FEZZILLA said:

Once again: Can we Sunday keepers continue to keep sunday has the Lord's Day and still go to heaven?

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I have a better question for you...

Will those who worship God according to the dictates of their own heart, but not according to His will so as it is prescribed in the Bible, enter into heaven?

so if my above theory is correct then the answer to the op's question would be every day since Jesus was crucified.

ThreeAM said:

My comments ARE NOT in conflict with EG White's teachings. Your comments through out this thread are non-factual. How about posting actual quotes from EGW's writtings or from the ADA offical beliefs instead of your flawed opinion.

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Just go on the "Does God's grace cancel his laws" topic, page three, entitled: APOLOGIA, and read the quotation there. Its the traditional SDA form. I do have several quotes from books I own that do teach the 'death to sunday keepers' doom gospel. I am not at home so I can't really quote anything except whats written in the
Bible.
So go and find the post under Origen's name entitled "Apologia" on the topic title I have quoted, and see for yourself what E.G.White says about the eternal fate of sunday keepers in the Great Controversy.

PS. You don't really believe that the RC's are going to send the Vatican guard over to America and force Sunday observance on Atheist, Buddhist, Hindus, Agnostics, Gnostics, Jews, Sabbath keeping Christians, Wiccians,and Toaist, do you?

PSS. Do you believe that the Jesuits sunk the Titanic?

wild01 said:

ok yah got me I gotta beat no the dead horse for awhile.
(it just looks like so much fun!)

excerpts from genesis 1&2

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.






By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done






19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam [h] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [i] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, [k] '
for she was taken out of man."
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.


ok now first we see on day 6 God created humans both mail and female. on day 7 he rested.




we also see that betwen the creation of Adam and the creation of eve Adam named every living anamal.

I would propose to you that this took more than 24 hours.

I also propose that it is possible that these "days" were not limited to our concept of time.




now I'm bet some of you are wondering where I am going with this.




what if the sixth day was not cuncluded until Jesus finished his work on the cross (hence "it is finished") and the ot sabbath was always a forward looking odservation. what if God's resting on the seventh day was not something that was recorded after it happened. what if it was prophecy adout the messiah. (who then sat down and rested permenately in his seventh day)



seven=# of completion. Jesus said it is finished(completed)(completely completed)

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And plants were made on day 3 but insects were created on the 6th day. No insects = no pollenation which = no plants.


Why limit and all powerful God? If God wanted to create the world in 7 ...24hr days then He can do it.

FEZZILLA said:

Just go on the "Does God's grace cancel his laws" topic, page three, entitled: APOLOGIA, and read the quotation there. Its the traditional SDA form. I do have several quotes from books I own that do teach the 'death to sunday keepers' doom gospel. I am not at home so I can't really quote anything except whats written in the
Bible.
So go and find the post under Origen's name entitled "Apologia" on the topic title I have quoted, and see for yourself what E.G.White says about the eternal fate of sunday keepers in the Great Controversy.

PS. You don't really believe that the RC's are going to send the Vatican guard over to America and force Sunday observance on Atheist, Buddhist, Hindus, Agnostics, Gnostics, Jews, Sabbath keeping Christians, Wiccians,and Toaist, do you?

PSS. Do you believe that the Jesuits sunk the Titanic?

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If you have the quotes then post it here as long as it is not off topic. If you don't post the FACTS then don't make non suported wild accusations.

PSS the Titanic thing is way way OT.

Just curious in your opinion can Sabbath Keepers keeep the 7th day Sabbath as the Lord's day and still go to heaven?

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Since I don't believe it matters on what day of the week we worship I have no problem saying: if you have accepted Jesus you go to heaven. If you haven't, it still doesn't matter what day you worship because, that's not going to get you in.
tulc( )

ThreeAM said:

And plants were made on day 3 but insects were created on the 6th day. No insects = no pollenation which = no plants.


Why limit and all powerful God? If God wanted to create the world in 7 ...24hr days then He can do it.

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I'm not limiting God. Your right if he wanted to he could. and if he wanted to refer to any time frame he chose as a day he could do that also.

1) day, time, year
a) day (as opposed to night)
b) day (24 hour period)
1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
2) as a division of time
a) a working day, a day's journey
c) days, lifetime (pl.)
d) time, period (general)
e) year
f) temporal references
1) today
2) yesterday
3) tomorrow


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 2287 AV - day 2008, time 64, chronicles + 01697 37, daily 44, ever 18, year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full 8
always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44; 2287

wild01 said:

I'm not limiting God. Your right if he wanted to he could. and if he wanted to refer to any time frame he chose as a day he could do that also.

1) day, time, year
a) day (as opposed to night)
b) day (24 hour period)
1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
2) as a division of time
a) a working day, a day's journey
c) days, lifetime (pl.)
d) time, period (general)
e) year
f) temporal references
1) today
2) yesterday
3) tomorrow


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 2287 AV - day 2008, time 64, chronicles + 01697 37, daily 44, ever 18, year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full 8
always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44; 2287

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And God gave the Israelites manna on six days a week and with held Manna for a 24 hr day on the 7th day which he called the sabbath. This was before the Ten Commandments was given.

Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

The 4th commandments specifically tells us what the 24hr 7th day sabbath memorializes. the 7th day of creation.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Your arguement is pretty anemic.

tulc said:

Since I don't believe it matters on what day of the week we worship I have no problem saying: if you have accepted Jesus you go to heaven. If you haven't, it still doesn't matter what day you worship because, that's not going to get you in.
tulc( )

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ThreeAM said:

And God gave the Israelites manna on six days a week and with held Manna for a 24 hr day on the 7th day which he called the sabbath. This was before the Ten Commandments was given.

Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

The 4th commandments specifically tells us what the 24hr 7th day sabbath memorializes. the 7th day of creation.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Your arguement is pretty anemic.

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Not an arguement, a theory.

My arguement would be that none of this matters, I am saved by grace not works. yes saturday is the seventh day. But just like every other law it doesn't apply. covenants do not go beyond death. Work don't save you. If you want to start obeying the laws of the old covenant, there are a lot more out there. I know I was raised under the veil of armstrongism.

ThreeAM said:

And God gave the Israelites manna on six days a week and with held Manna for a 24 hr day on the 7th day which he called the sabbath. This was before the Ten Commandments was given.

Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

The 4th commandments specifically tells us what the 24hr 7th day sabbath memorializes. the 7th day of creation.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Your arguement is pretty anemic.

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I don't think any Sunday keeping Christian denies that the Seventh day Sabbath is the fourth commandment. Nobody denies that it is the rest of God's creation or a Covenant for Israel. We just know that we don't have to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath to be saved. We can worship on the Lord's Day (i.e., "Sunday") and celebrate both Christ's resurrection and ours on the same day. Sunday is the finished works of God. So it can be held has a Sabbath. I even know Jewish Christians, who were studying to be Rabbi's, that became Christians and knew that sunday is the Lord's Day.

Question: Do SDA's open their doors on Easter Sunday?

ThreeAM said:

If you have the quotes then post it here as long as it is not off topic. If you don't post the FACTS then don't make non suported wild accusations.

PSS the Titanic thing is way way OT.

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Are you too lazy to go there and read?
And, what do you mean by, "the Titanic thing is way way OT"?

Once again,

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast" (Eph.2:8-9).

SDA's believe that the Seventh Day Sabbath is the seal of salvation. Does the Bible agree? Lets see,

"...Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit"

"And do not greive the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption" (Eph.1:13; 4:30).

I don't see any evidence that says, "The Seventh Day Sabbath saves." Zero evidence.

FEZZILLA said:

Are you too lazy to go there and read?
And, what do you mean by, "the Titanic thing is way way OT"?

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Are you to lazy to post quote into this thread that support your comments in this thread???????

I'll make it simple for you. Go to the OP on this thread see if it mentions anything about Jesuits or large ships or icebergs. If it does not then your comments about the Jesuits and the Titanic is way way off topic and therefore it is not allowed in the thread.

ThreeAM said:

Are you to lazy to post quote into this thread that support your comments in this thread???????

I'll make it simple for you. Go to the OP on this thread see if it mentions anything about Jesuits or large ships or icebergs. If it does not then your comments about the Jesuits and the Titanic is way way off topic and therefore it is not allowed in the thread.

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For starters, I only asked you a simple question. Do you believe that the Jesuits sunk the Titanic or not? Stop spinning and just talk straight.
And if you refuse to read from another topic then you prove that you are too bias to see the facts that speak out against the SDA pet-doctrines.
If you knew Adventism was a lie, would you give up your faith in God? I hope not. I didn't because I was warned by the Holy spirit and believe the warning. (I was baptized by the holy spirit when I was 14, so it always stayed with me through all my dark years until I finally saw who was walking with me the whole time).

FEZZILLA said:

Once again,

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast" (Eph.2:8-9).

SDA's believe that the Seventh Day Sabbath is the seal of salvation. Does the Bible agree? Lets see,

"...Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit"

"And do not greive the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption" (Eph.1:13; 4:30).

I don't see any evidence that says, "The Seventh Day Sabbath saves." Zero evidence.

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Question:

Are your posts in this thread manifesting the fruit of the Spirit?

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." Gal. 5:22-23