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Originally posted by pdwblw
The Sabbath was the seventh day of the week, Saturday. God gave that commandment to the nation of Israel under the law. We are under the new covenant insituted by the blood of Jesus. The seventh day Sabbath is not binding on us as Christians. Despite what the SDA will try to tell us history did not change the day of worship the new covenant did.
Originally posted by thetruthseeker
Hi pdwblw,
It appears that you have not followed the thread. You can:
Please read the 4th and last post on the link below to find out about the Old and New Covenant. What you see may surprise you.
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/23454-3.html
Please let us know if you have any questions.
Thank you.
Your brother in Christ,
TheTruthSeeker
Originally posted by raphe
Jesus obeyed all the laws until He died on the cross and changed everything.........Yes, He had not achieved or finished His work until He said on the cross that His work was "finished" (John 19:30). He told the disciples it was important that He die so that the Holy Spirit would come (John 16:7) and after Pentecost, it did, and the disciples met on the Lords day - Sunday. What is it so difficult seeing the time line here? God promised something better and we have received it (Heb. 8:6, 10:20).
Everything concerning our relationship to God was changed at the moment of His death. The veil was split in two (Mat. 27:51) and the Holy of Holies was forever open, and man has access to God forever through Christ's work. He is our rest - period. Lord of the sabbath even before He died. Our work is faith, and that requires us accepting Him and His discipline of the flesh. How much stress is it to the flesh to do nothing on Saturday or Sunday but sit in a pew, yet people hold this up as their as preeminent obedience to God. The Pharisee bragged to God in His prayer about how obedient he was to Him, yet the real test is when faith tells us to give expecting nothing in return or do something that makes the flesh uncomfortable. People suffer around us all the time, and like Pharisees, we say a prayer for their health and walk around them just like the Pharisees did in the parable of the good Samaritan. I hear people boast in their baptizm, and about which day they keep, yet their faith is less than that of a mustard seed in Christ and what He did for us - they have to go back and practise a religion instead of living a life like that of Paul or Jesus. Paul said to emulate him, and of course we are to follow after Christ - and that being daily in denying the flesh and picking up our own cross. It is more comfortable to sit instead of work, and the flesh will always find the least uncomfortable thing to do to show obedience to God. Faith is the tough one, and it takes refining and testing to purify it. It takes absolutely no faith to sit in a pew on Saturday. It does take faith to fuel a wheelchair van from your own pocket and go out to pick up the lame, the blind, the deaf and poor, and bring them in to worship and break bread - yet, again how many do that or think that would be a matter of obedience? None or few, yet that is what I did for many years, by faith.
I have taken the Word of God serious for many years yet I've been taught all about obedience just by observing a day, that was to serve as a reminder of God's covenant up to the point that Jesus became our sabbath and the Lord's Supper became our remembrance of all He has accomplished with His great love and sacrifice. It is a better covenant we have yet you would practice a work that has no sacrifice to the flesh and would point to it instead of Jesus. He said that if He would be lifted up, He would draw all men unto Him (John 12:32).........Christ and Him crucified - the anointing(power of God) and the blood covenant. Why would you lead men to or point to anything other than Jesus?:
1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Heb. 10:19 ¶ Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
************Originally posted by pdwblw
The Sabbath was the seventh day of the week, Saturday. God gave that commandment to the nation of Israel under the law. We are under the new covenant insituted by the blood of Jesus. The seventh day Sabbath is not binding on us as Christians. Despite what the SDA will try to tell us history did not change the day of worship the new covenant did.
Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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WOW!!(We my friend are JEWS if one likes it or not? Rom. 2:28-29)
Seventh-day Advents? There are many of us who Love the Lord that keep the Commandments! And the SABBATH IS RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THEM! He it is that said ["IF"] ye Love Me KEEP MY COMMANMENTS! (and i am not a SDA)
And you are FLAT OUT WRONG, period! on your COVENANT thinking!
As the Gospel of CHRIST is ETERNAL, so is HIS COVENANT ETERNAL! Try Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20's last part. NEITHER OF THESE [ETERNALLY TRUTHS] CAN EVER BE SEPERATED! Why would God even suggest such a thing?? You are saying that it has a flaw?? You NEED TO READ REV.'S LAST FEW VERSES to understand what you are saying! "adding to or removing...name will be blotted from the book of life.
By the way, we are told BEFORE HAND what God would do with HIS COVENANT, in Ezekiel 11:19-20. Yes, I am full aware that this only for the 'born again ones' (of Rom. 2:28-29) See Isa. 8:20 for the other "LIGHTLESS ONES" & 1 John 2:4 for the one's John was 'inspired' to say are 'LIARS and there is [NO TRUTH IN THEM]".![]()
You will need to do a retake befor time runs out for a heavenly home it seems? For even the Angels keep [ALL of the Word of God!] See Rev. 22:8-9! & 2 Tim. 3:16.
And [IF] you believe the WORD of the MASTER, try Isa. 66:22-23 where His inspiration tells us that in the "NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH ... (THAT) ... FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER SHALL [ALL] FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE [ME, SAIETH THE LORD]."And what do you say?
The Royal Covenant of James 2:10-12 has a more 'compeling' place for ALL BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS after CONVERSION, and this is an O.T. prophesied [FACT]. Today the Born again believers of Acts 5:32 (ONLY ONES!) have this TRUTH, as the MASTERS INSPIRATION TELL [THEM] in 2 Cor. 3:3! "NOT IN TABLES OF STONE" (any more) "But are manifestly DECLARED TO BE THE [EPISTLE OF CHRIST]" (*letter of Christ) "IN THE FLESHY TABLES OF THE HEART"
(How ones thinks that he believes in Christ & NOT BE HIS LETTER is beyond me??? OR, would want to even 'suggest to nullify' His Authoritive LETTER? See Rom. 3:31)
No, my friend, We serve a God that does not CHANGE! He is the SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND [ETERNALLY]! ----------P/N/B/ (we ARE the problem)
Originally posted by thetruthseeker
What day is the Sabbath? Are we to keep it still?
Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
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WOW!!(We my friend are JEWS if one likes it or not? Rom. 2:28-29)
Seventh-day Advents? There are many of us who Love the Lord that keep the Commandments! And the SABBATH IS RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THEM! He it is that said ["IF"] ye Love Me KEEP MY COMMANMENTS! (and i am not a SDA)
And you are FLAT OUT WRONG, period! on your COVENANT thinking!
As the Gospel of CHRIST is ETERNAL, so is HIS COVENANT ETERNAL! Try Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20's last part. NEITHER OF THESE [ETERNALLY TRUTHS] CAN EVER BE SEPERATED! Why would God even suggest such a thing?? You are saying that it has a flaw?? You NEED TO READ REV.'S LAST FEW VERSES to understand what you are saying! "adding to or removing...name will be blotted from the book of life.
By the way, we are told BEFORE HAND what God would do with HIS COVENANT, in Ezekiel 11:19-20. Yes, I am full aware that this only for the 'born again ones' (of Rom. 2:28-29) See Isa. 8:20 for the other "LIGHTLESS ONES" & 1 John 2:4 for the one's John was 'inspired' to say are 'LIARS and there is [NO TRUTH IN THEM]".![]()
You will need to do a retake befor time runs out for a heavenly home it seems? For even the Angels keep [ALL of the Word of God!] See Rev. 22:8-9! & 2 Tim. 3:16.
And [IF] you believe the WORD of the MASTER, try Isa. 66:22-23 where His inspiration tells us that in the "NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH ... (THAT) ... FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER SHALL [ALL] FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE [ME, SAIETH THE LORD]."And what do you say?
The Royal Covenant of James 2:10-12 has a more 'compeling' place for ALL BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS after CONVERSION, and this is an O.T. prophesied [FACT]. Today the Born again believers of Acts 5:32 (ONLY ONES!) have this TRUTH, as the MASTERS INSPIRATION TELL [THEM] in 2 Cor. 3:3! "NOT IN TABLES OF STONE" (any more) "But are manifestly DECLARED TO BE THE [EPISTLE OF CHRIST]" (*letter of Christ) "IN THE FLESHY TABLES OF THE HEART"
(How ones thinks that he believes in Christ & NOT BE HIS LETTER is beyond me??? OR, would want to even 'suggest to nullify' His Authoritive LETTER? See Rom. 3:31)
No, my friend, We serve a God that does not CHANGE! He is the SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND [ETERNALLY]! ----------P/N/B/ (we ARE the problem)
Originally posted by 4thecross
TheTruthSeeker,
So do you actively observe from sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night as the Sabbath? Do you go out to eat during that time? Do you go shopping? Do you make sure that you stay pure from engaging in worldly activities as you normally would throughout the rest of the week? Do you make sure that EVERYTHING you do is Holy unto the Lord? Do you abstain from every kind of work?
(Galatians 3:1-3) You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. (2) I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? (3) Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
(Colossians 2:16) Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Originally posted by 4thecross
TheTruthSeeker,
So do you actively observe from sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night as the Sabbath? Do you go out to eat during that time? Do you go shopping? Do you make sure that you stay pure from engaging in worldly activities as you normally would throughout the rest of the week? Do you make sure that EVERYTHING you do is Holy unto the Lord? Do you abstain from every kind of work?
(Galatians 3:1-3) You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. (2) I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? (3) Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
(Colossians 2:16) Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
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Hi you three, (i guess)
Anyway, what I do in Faith is done because I love Christ my Master, PERIOD! I do not need to make you or anyone else believe this, OK? One thing for certain is, is that God is a God of 'religous liberty'So?.. you & ALL others will do or not do, their [own] thing as they [DECIDE]. Yet, ALL WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE TEST!
Now, about these questions? Just say that one was in membership to a Virgin denomination in doctrines [ONLY]? In other words, they belived the Truth & they knew the Truth, but they did not LIVE the Truth that they were convinced of, OK? Now, if it is OPEN SIN, PRINTED, PUBLISHED FOR ME TO SEE, and if there IS NO CHANGE by this [denomination, or person, or persons], Christ will not be INSIDE OF HER or them! What do you think that I would do? It is just that simple, See Joshua 7:12's last part & Rev. 18:4.---P/N/B/
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Much Grace,
Kevin
Originally posted by Pastor N.B.