What Creates Consciousness?

[Astrid]

We share in God's consciousness?

Do you think it possible to provide a link to data,
or concise reasoning based on known principles?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Read it as "what constitutes consciousness"

I think we need to ask about out of body experience's. Do they exist? Are they real? Is the evidence convincing? If so, is it an ability of the brain (matter) to project it's consciousness or is it consciousness independent of the brain?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

We share in God's consciousness?

it is called the Holy Spirit.

 

[trophy33]

I think we need to ask about out of body experience's. Do they exist? Are they real? Is the evidence convincing? If so, is it an ability of the brain to project it's consciousness or is it consciousness independent of the brain?

How will it help with the question if AI can be conscious?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Way easier to "know" with opinions than
( shudder) by working

This is billed as a phys sci forum.

As such vacuous claims w/ o even specious evidence
should properly be left unanswered.

sometimes if not all of the time, science does not have the proper answers or no answers to such questions and one must look further. Science is man made our creator has all the answers.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

How will it help with the question if AI can be conscious?

Without much question we can agree that AI is strictly matter dependent. Right? Fundamentally very complex binary code. That would be consistent with a brain based consciousness, opening the possibility of AI consciousness. But if consciousness is not brain dependent, not matter dependent. Then no.

An Eastern Meditation view is that all the things we think of as consciousness, sense awareness, thoughts, imagination, etc, are object of consciousness and not consciousness itself. So all that can be brain dependent. Consciousness itself is the central sense of self aware of all that other stuff. And it transcends the brain and matter.

 

[Laodicean60]

I think we need to ask about out of body experience's. Do they exist? Are they real? Is the evidence convincing? If so, is it an ability of the brain to project it's consciousness or is it consciousness independent of the brain?

I believe so, I've watched probably 100 NDE videos and all of them have an out-of-body experience. It's more convincing to me now than it was in the 80s and I heard 7% of the world population has experienced one.

In fact after my heart attack and I came home I told my wife I wish I experienced one. She thought I was crazy but I'm from Missouri the "show me" state. I'm a distrustful person so I like evidence.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Panpsychism sounds worth exploring.

Arguments for and against:

Panpsychism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[trophy33]

Without much question we can agree that AI is strictly matter dependent. Right? Fundamentally very complex binary code. That would be consistent with a brain based consciousness, opening the possibility of AI consciousness. But if consciousness is not brain dependent, not matter dependent. Then no.

An Eastern Meditation view is that all the things we think of as consciousness, sense awareness, thoughts, imagination, etc, are object of consciousness and not consciousness itself. So all that can be brain dependent. Consciousness itself is the central sense of self aware of all that other stuff. And it transcends the brain and matter.

I think the question in the OP is not whether consciousness can exist without a brain, but rather whether a silicon material can replace the biological brain to host the similar level of consciousness.

Whether this consciousness will cease when you shutdown the silicon brain or will somehow continue to exist without it, is an interesting question, but a different one. And even more difficult to prove than the first one.

 

[Laodicean60]

sometimes if not all of the time, science does not have the proper answers or no answers to such questions and one must look further. Science is man made our creator has all the answers.

Have you listened to any Quantum Sciences they are just scratching the surface of the unseen realm? I personally believe our creator is the master scientist and humans are just learning what has been here since creation.

 

[Laodicean60]

I think the question in the OP is not whether consciousness can exist without a brain, but rather whether a silicon material can replace the biological brain to host the similar level of consciousness.

Maybe if it was created in the image of God which it hasn't and never will.

 

[trophy33]

Maybe if it was created in the image of God which it hasn't and never will.

Why?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

but rather whether a silicon material can replace the biological brain to host the similar level of consciousness.

Well, we can only speculate anyway. But fundamentally we come down to atoms and energy.
Is carbon based more capable than silicone based?
If so, why. I don't think we have a clue yet.

 

[trophy33]

Is carbon based more capable than silicone based?

For life, yes. For consciousness - no idea.

 

[dlamberth]

I think the question in the OP is not whether consciousness can exist without a brain, but rather whether a silicon material can replace the biological brain to host the similar level of consciousness.

There are spiritual trajectories where plants and even rocks are known to have a type of consciousness. I think the question that needs to be answered before limiting it to a biological brain is "What IS consciousness?"

My own thoughts are that I don't know how to limit consciousness. As such I see no reason why future AI will not have some type of consciousness. Though as much as it tries to mimic human consciousness, that is something it will never be able to reach.

 

[trophy33]

There are spiritual trajectories where plants and even rocks are known to have a type of consciousness. I think the question that needs to be answered before limiting it to a biological brain is "What IS consciousness?"

My own thoughts are that I don't know how to limit consciousness. As such I see no reason why future AI will not have some type of consciousness. Though as much as it tries to mimic human consciousness, that is something it will never be able to do.

In this context, I think it means realizing your own existence and your experiencing of things.

 

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[Laodicean60]

Why?

Because only God creates things in his image and we procreate flesh and blood, not machines.

 

[durangodawood]

Because only God creates things in his image....

How do you know this?

 

[Laodicean60]

How do you know this?

For this Christian worldview, it's biblical. A machine can not be programmed to comprehend all human emotions thoughts and desire. I'm not sure a machine will be able to feel pain no matter how many sensors it has because we have a biological brain which itself has powerful computing power. We have neuroplasticity which rewires our brain where whereas a machine at the basic level is ones and zeros and pure logic.