What Creates Consciousness?

[dlamberth]

This "divine presence" -- what's His name?

In this form, His name would be Jesus.
Now, talk about the Divine as you experience it.
What are you conscious of while sitting in the Divine?

 

[public hermit]

We're both Christians, aren't we?

Why would you not say the right thing?

Yes we are, but I think you are missing the point. The idea that if I can say the right name somehow means I've reached the limits of what's possible runs contrary to what @dlamberth and I are saying.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you realize how many people "experienced" this way of knowing God way before LSD was even developed?

No.

I'm thinking of Paul for one.

Jesus came to Paul.

And Paul wasn't on anything at the time.

I'd even put Christ into that group.

Uh-huh.

Riiight.

It all has to do with "consciousness" and what a person is conscious of.

A consciousness is one thing.

A mind-altered consciousness through chemically-induced plants or drugs is another.

It seems that there's a spiritual aspect within Christianity that your not aware of.

Then I don't want/need it.

A person can deny it all they want, but that doesn't make historical reality go away.

I'm not denying it.

It's everywhere.

And it's been offered to me on the streets of San Diego and Finegayan more than once.

History is history.

Yup.

His Story

 

[AV1611VET]

In this form, His name would be Jesus.

WOW! Mega-kudos!

You caught me off-guard with that one!

Good job!

Now, talk about the Divine as you experience it.

Nothing compares to seeing the Southern Cross at night.

Before I was saved though, it was a kite to me.

What are you conscious of while sitting in the Divine?

My brothers and sisters sitting around me in church.

The sweet taste of the bread and grape juice during the Lord's Table.

Cracking open the Good Book and hearing Its pages turn all through the auditorium.

Singing hymns and making melody to the Lord, Who is in the midst of us.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes we are, but I think you are missing the point. The idea that if I can say the right name somehow means I've reached the limits of what's possible runs contrary to what @dlamberth and I are saying.

Lamb nailed it.

And what's with the "if I can"???

 

[dlamberth]

Jesus came to Paul.

And Paul wasn't on anything at the time.

It's called grace.
When Jesus came to Paul, Paul was totally conscious of that Divine embodiment, so much so that it radically changed him.

A consciousness is one thing.

A mind-altered consciousness through chemically-induced plants or drugs is another.

So all of those Christians for the past 2000 years who were deeply consciously aware of the Divine presence and lived in that awareness, were they all on chemically-induced plants or drugs? I don't think so.

Your the only one who is all about mind-altering drugs.
Are you ignoring what I write on purpose?
I don't think your being honest by doing that.

 

[dlamberth]

Nothing compares to seeing the Southern Cross at night.

Looking inward, what were you consciously feeling at that moment?
What feelings are still hanging with you?

 

[AV1611VET]

It's called grace.

It's called being visited by Jesus Christ in a vision.

When Jesus came to Paul, Paul was totally conscious of that Divine embodiment, so much so that it radically changed him.

Either that, or he was on his way to Damascus with letters of permission to start persecuting God's children there.

That's about how conscious he was.

So all of those Christians for the past 2000 years who were deeply consciously aware of the Divine presence and lived in that awareness, were they all on chemically-induced plants or drugs?

Give me a break.

I don't think so.

Neither do I.

Your the only one who is all about mind-altering drugs.

Then quit describing one.

(But for the record, I don't really know what one is, since I've never taken LSD -- nor even alcohol or tobacco -- in my life.)

Are you ignoring what I write on purpose?

No.

I don't think your being honest by doing that.

Get in line.

 

[AV1611VET]

Looking inward, what were you consciously feeling at that moment?

Don't make me put this in alphabetical order:

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Who wants to look on that junk?

What feelings are still hanging with you?

As long as I'm not quenching or grieving the Spirit, I have ...

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[dlamberth]

Then quit describing one.

(But for the record, I don't really know what one is, since I've never taken LSD -- nor even alcohol or tobacco -- in my life.)

I've learned a lot from this discussion.
I Thank You so very much.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've learned a lot from this discussion.
I Thank You so very much.

Um ... you're welcome?