What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[tall73]

Galatians spells out again the impossibility of relying on the works of the law. The law depends on doing it. And no one does.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

The new covenant is better because Christ became the curse of the law for us so that we might have His righteousness through faith, and receive the promise of the Spirit.

 

[tall73]

This is why Paul asks whether those who started out with the Spirit are now trying to be righteous by the law. They were on the right track before. If you want to be righteous focus more on Christ, and walking in the Spirit, rather than focusing on the law.

It is the Spirit that puts to death the things of the sinful nature, and lives out the fruit of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whateverc]">[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.


19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

 

[mkgal1]

It results in death to those who do not do it.

It may be more accurate to state this as "it sentences those to death to those who do not do it" as there were many that weren't literally brought to death, but still, deserved the penalty of death.

 

[mkgal1]

It is the Spirit that puts to death the things of the sinful nature, and lives out the fruit of the Spirit.

I'm glad you brought this up as well, because earlier in this thread, when I brought up how we need to die to our sin daily, the response I got was that we are born dead and only need to be "born again" once. I see it as a life-long progression as we will never truly be without sin (it's the distinction of salvation and sanctification that people seem to get hung up on).

 

[tall73]

It may be more accurate to state this as "it sentences those to death to those who do not do it" as there were many that weren't literally brought to death, but still, deserved the penalty of death.

Sentences is more accurate, yes.

Now keep in mind though sin itself brought death even before the law. Romans 5 for instance. But the law again reveals sin more clearly.

 

[tall73]

I'm glad you brought this up as well, because earlier in this thread, when I brought up how we need to die to our sin daily, the response I got was that we are born dead and only need to be "born again" once. I see it as a life-long progression as we will never truly be without sin (it's the distinction of salvation and sanctification that people seem to get hung up on).

Yes, salvation is by faith. But so is the process by which the Spirit works in us to bear fruit. Hence the keep in step with the Spirit. The Galatians are said by Paul to have started with the Spirit, then gotten derailed. They already had the Spirit, but were in danger of falling from grace by depending on the law. They needed to realize righteousness could never be obtained by the law, but by faith.

But then, the fruit of the Spirit is also born in us, and we have a choice in whether we allow that work to happen. He wouldn't need to stay keep in step with the Spirit unless we could be short-circuiting that process.

He says something similar in Romans 8:

5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.


9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives lifed]">[d] because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because ofe]">[e] his Spirit who lives in you.

12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

The mind governed by the flesh CANNOT please God or submit to God's law. We are sinful. But we have an obligation to put to death the misdeeds of the body by the Spirit.

This keeps us constantly dependent on God. We cannot obtain salvation, be holy, or do anything else on our own. It is through Him working in us.

Hence Jesus says to His disciples:

John 15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.


There is a constant dependence on Christ, a constant focus on Him. In Romans 8 it describes it as having our mind on the things of the Spirit. In John 15 it describes it as remaining or abiding in Him. In Galatians 5 it describes it as keeping in step with, or walking in the Spirit. There is an element where we focus on Him and He lives out His righteous life in us.

 

[mkgal1]

The Galatians are said by Paul to have started with the Spirit, then gotten derailed. They already had the Spirit, but were in danger of falling from grace by depending on the law. They needed to realize righteousness could never be obtained by the law, but by faith.

Good point (they all are - I'm just pulling out a few key discussion points ).

 

[mkgal1]

There is a constant dependence on Christ, a constant focus on Him. In Romans 8 it describes it as having our mind on the things of the Spirit. In John 15 it describes it as remaining or abiding in Him. In Galatians 5 it describes it as keeping in step with, or walking in the Spirit. There is an element where we focus on Him and He lives out His righteous life in us.

Excellent, Tall. Thanks.

 

[BABerean2]

The word translated there to "change" = metatithémi: to transfer from one place to another.

G3331

μετάθεσις
metathesis
met-ath'-es-is

From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law): - change, removing, translation.

Total KJV occurrences: 3

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[mkgal1]

G3331

μετάθεσις
metathesis
met-ath'-es-is

From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law): - change, removing, translation.

Total KJV occurrences: 3

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What's your source you're using?
Both Strong's and Thayer's seem to agree:
See Lexicon entry here ------>Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

 

[BABerean2]

This is a screenshot of that point in the video. They didn't quote v 24 like that (so you're making a false accusation - although I don't understand your reasoning for doing so).

(LITV-TSP) Since we heard that some of us having gone out have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, Be circumcised and keep the Law, to whom we gave no command;

(KJV) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

(KJV+) Forasmuch asG1894 we have heard,G191 thatG3754 certainG5100 which went outG1831 fromG1537 usG2257 have troubledG5015 youG5209 with words,G3056 subvertingG384 yourG5216 souls,G5590 saying,G3004 Ye must be circumcised,G4059 andG2532 keepG5083 theG3588 law:G3551 to whomG3739 we gave no such commandment:G1291 G3756

(NKJV) Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment—

(YLT) seeing we have heard that certain having gone forth from us did trouble you with words, subverting your souls, saying to be circumcised and to keep the law, to whom we did give no charge,

They left out the text referring to "circumcision" and the "law", in Acts 15:24.

Those words are not in your screenshot.

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[BABerean2]

What's your source you're using?

Strong from eSword.

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[mkgal1]

(LITV-TSP) Since we heard that some of us having gone out have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, Be circumcised and keep the Law, to whom we gave no command;

(KJV) Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

(KJV+) Forasmuch asG1894 we have heard,G191 thatG3754 certainG5100 which went outG1831 fromG1537 usG2257 have troubledG5015 youG5209 with words,G3056 subvertingG384 yourG5216 souls,G5590 saying,G3004 Ye must be circumcised,G4059 andG2532 keepG5083 theG3588 law:G3551 to whomG3739 we gave no such commandment:G1291 G3756

(NKJV) Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment—

(YLT) seeing we have heard that certain having gone forth from us did trouble you with words, subverting your souls, saying to be circumcised and to keep the law, to whom we did give no charge,

They left out the text referring to "circumcision" and the "law", in Acts 15:24.

Those words are not in your screenshot.

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I believe they're using the ESV - but including the words that the instruction being given was about circumcision only supports my argument.

 

[BABerean2]

That was not the question. I never said they were identical. The mediator now is Yeshua.

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

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[BABerean2]

I believe they're using the ESV - but including the words that the instruction being given was about circumcision only supports my argument.

Act 15:10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Since Peter did bear circumcision, he could not have been referring to circumcision in the verse above.


Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment—

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[mkgal1]

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

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This is not evidence of Jesus and the Father having separate wills.

 

[mkgal1]

Act 15:10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Since Peter did bear circumcision, he could not have been referring to circumcision in the verse above.


Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment—

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No one can keep the Law perfectly. The Law doesn't save. This group of Judaizers were confusing the Gentiles, causing them to doubt their salvation and unsettling their souls.

You seem to be ignoring the context and the decision that was made at the council (which came straight from the Law regarding idolatry).

The context:

Acts 15:1-2 ~ While Paul and Barnabas were at Antioch of Syria, some men from Judea arrived and began to teach the believers : “Unless you are circumcised as required by the law of Moses, you cannot be saved.” Paul and Barnabas disagreed with them, arguing vehemently. Finally, the church decided to send Paul and Barnabas to Jerusalem, accompanied by some local believers, to talk to the apostles and elders about this question.

The decision made about this:

Acts 15:19-20 ~ And so my judgment is that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from eating food offered to idols, from sexual immorality, from eating the meat of strangled animals, and from consuming blood. ​

 

[ace of hearts]

That's a strawman argument. No one is suggesting that. Pointing out that we Christians have ONE God (represented in 3 persons - the Trinity), with ONE will, isn't implying there is ONE covenant.

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[ace of hearts]

This is a screenshot of that point in the video. They didn't quote v 24 like that (so you're making a false accusation - although I don't understand your reasoning for doing so). First you stated that they ignore Acts 15:10 - and I showed you that they *don't* ignore it, in fact, they have an entire video about it. Now you're making accusations that they distort Scripture to fit their argument (which also isn't true).

But either way, their explanation "works" when the whole chapter is read - it doesn't stand on v 24 alone. It's verse 1 that introduces the reason for the council (and repeated in v 5). Judaizers were teaching that one must be circumcised in order to be saved. The argument was about legalism vs obedience. Legalism doesn't save a person (there is not one who hasn't sinned) but obedience flows from those who are saved.

Acts 15 Parallel Chapters

I don't really understand the opposition to this. This isn't say anything different than what Dr Michael Brown stated. I thought we ALL agreed with what was said in that video?

This is a major reason why I don't or rarely quote some one for evidence.

 

[ace of hearts]

The word translated there to "change" = metatithémi: to transfer from one place to another.

The priesthood transferred from the Levitical priests to our High Priest (in the order of Melchizedek). It's not the Law that changed - but our *relationship* to the Law. The Law is under the administration of God (through Christ). The earthly is only a reflection of the true image in the Heavens (Exodus 25:40; Hebrews 8:5; Revelation 11:19).

The same word (metatithémi) is used again, by the same author of Hebrews, in chapter 11:5. Enoch wasn't changed out and replaced - he was transferred up to the heavenlies:

"By faith Enoch was taken up (metatithémi) to heaven without dying—“he disappeared, because God took him.” For before he was taken up, he was known as a person who pleased God. "

Hebrews 11:5 Lexicon: By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; AND HE WAS NOT FOUND BECAUSE GOD TOOK HIM UP; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.​

What is the difference between changed or transferred? I see either word could be used and means the same thing by your discussion. Indeed the priesthood was transferred. Indeed the priesthood was changed. This required a change in the law. IOW the change violates the law. The real point is a jot or tittle of the law has indeed changed further proving all things have been fulfilled of Mat 5. If the law wasn't changed Jesus can't be our Savior because He isn't from the tribe of Levi required by the law to be a priest.