What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Rom 7:14-8:7 I identify with Paul.

So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means.
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law...

 

[klutedavid]

So no one should even try, right? Is that what you are saying? It is about trying to and when you fail, you have forgiveness...grace.

Are you asking whether a person should try to be holy?

Well everyone who believes in Jesus is fully justified already, fully reconciled to God through Jesus Christ.

We are as pure as the driven snow and we are granted the righteousness of Christ. This is all ours purely as a gift through the grace of God.

All that remains for us to do is be thankful, rejoice always, and to walk in the Spirit. This is a downhill run not an uphill battle.

We don't try to be holy and we cannot fail to be holy. In Jesus Christ you are already divinely reconciled and holy, everything is given to you to live the Christian life.

No one can fail as a Christian because nothing can separate us from the love of God!

 

[klutedavid]

And yet you still sin, which is against the law. Following the law is not now about justification or salvation, it is about loving God and your neighbor...of course you will fail, but now you have grace...

I cannot sin.

I am not under the law.

I cannot ever fail.

Of course I am saved by grace.

The law is all about reaching the benchmark, ticking the boxes, becoming very aware of the deeds of the flesh. The law amplifies sin. No one was ever saved through the law, but millions died because of the law.

The law grants condemnation to all those who try and obey the law.

Romans 7:4-6
Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Need I say anything more?

 

[BABerean2]

Is what He commanded different than what the Father commanded? re their wills different?

John 15:10

(CJB) If you keep my commands, you will stay in my love -- just as I have kept my Father's commands and stay in his love.

(ESV) If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

(Geneva) If ye shall keepe my commandements, ye shall abide in my loue, as I haue kept my Fathers commandements, and abide in his loue.

(Greek NT TR) εαν τας εντολας μου τηρησητε μενειτε εν τη αγαπη μου καθως εγω τας εντολας του πατρος μου τετηρηκα και μενω αυτου εν τη αγαπη

(GW) If you obey my commandments, you will live in my love. I have obeyed my Father's commandments, and in that way I live in his love.

(LITV-TSP) If you keep My commandments you will continue in My love, as I have kept My Father's commandments and continue in His love.

(KJV) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

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(NKJV) If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

(YLT) if my commandments ye may keep, ye shall remain in my love, according as I the commands of my Father have kept, and do remain in His love;

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2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

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1Jn 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

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[Dkh587]

God annulled the Mt Sinai covenant between the nation of Israel and Himself, their house was left to them desolate.

God then later annulled the covenant in His blood with the nation of Israel, because they rejected the Christ, they were then grafted out, cutoff from Christ.

So the nation of Israel broke both covenants.

The Gentiles were grafted into the covenant of blood through faith in Jesus and stand only by that faith in the Christ. Gentiles are the recipients of God's kindness, i.e., God's grace.

You speak as if the new covenant isn’t with Israel - Jeremiah 31:31-33

The new covenant is not with Gentiles

You can’t take part of something that is for a specific group of people if you are not somehow part of that group.

For example, you can’t be a citizen of Germany and inherit/claim and take part of things that are for citizens of India.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Are you asking whether a person should try to be holy?

Well everyone who believes in Jesus is fully justified already, fully reconciled to God through Jesus Christ.

We are as pure as the driven snow and we are granted the righteousness of Christ. This is all ours purely as a gift through the grace of God.

All that remains for us to do is be thankful, rejoice always, and to walk in the Spirit. This is a downhill run not an uphill battle.

We don't try to be holy and we cannot fail to be holy. In Jesus Christ you are already divinely reconciled and holy, everything is given to you to live the Christian life.

No one can fail as a Christian because nothing can separate us from the love of God!

Sin separates us, and we still sin. Yes Yeshua covers our sin, but we must repent and go and sin no more...or at least try, otherwise you are preaching in essence that grace is a license to sin...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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1Jn 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

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It was a yes or no answer...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I cannot sin.

You can and you do sin...you need to add a big caveat to that statement...otherwise it seems like you are saying you are sinless...(I know what you are going to say and yes I understand, but others may not)

 

[ace of hearts]

So no one should even try, right? Is that what you are saying? It is about trying to and when you fail, you have forgiveness...grace.

If one knows it is impossible, why attempt what you know is not attainable. Isn't that self abuse? For what purpose? To attain a righteousness of filthy rags?

 

[ace of hearts]

And yet you still sin, which is against the law. Following the law is not now about justification or salvation, it is about loving God and your neighbor...of course you will fail, but now you have grace...

We don't answer to the law because we're not under that covenant. Being lead by the Holy Spirit I don't need to check the rule book and live in fear.

 

[ace of hearts]

I am asking if you sin.

What you're trying to do is place me under obligation to the law. I've seen your argument and approach before.

 

[ace of hearts]

Is what He commanded different than what the Father commanded? re their wills different?

Yes. Now what do you mean by their wills being different? Are you attempting to say I believe I can go in the opposite direction of the moral aspect of the law? This has already been tried with out right statements about murder and adultery.

 

[ace of hearts]

Because you don't understand it...

What exactly don't I understand? Isn't it that one can sin and avoid the punishment of the law? Then people want to talk about cheap grace. Don't you really give yourself permission to sin and avoid the consequences?

 

[ace of hearts]

So sad is why you do...

do what?

 

[ace of hearts]

That was Paul

Paul is on the same level as Moses.

 

[ace of hearts]

I know...I was asking you.

Why? Hoping I'd go on your rabbit trail and say something ignorant?

 

[ace of hearts]

Nice dodge as you would say. Is your memory shot? You can't even remember what you said? You said: "I would still have a covenant of redemption. Doesn't matter much what name is has." So I asked you How, Why, With Whom would you have this covenant. Remember, you said the NT and NC has nothing to do with the OT and OC...the NT and NC is not based on the OT and OC...

And you'd get the same response.

 

[ace of hearts]

Good! And sin is? And grace is?

You're trying to get me to say something that isn't true for the purpose of beratement. The law didn't invent sin.

 

[ace of hearts]

Jeremiah says a new covenant, not like Sinai WHICH WE BROKE, even though He was a husband to us...we cheated on Him. It will be one which we will not break because it will be in our hearts now and Yeshua will be the mediator. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts". Paul says "For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."

No. You can refuse to accept the new covenant, but you can't break it. The new covenant is unilateral. The previous covenant is by-lateral allowing you to break it.

 

[ace of hearts]

So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means.
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law...

Ditto for me. Paul said in verse 6 But we're now delivered from the law...