What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[klutedavid]

For clarification, the 2 commandments that the Messiah gave are not his, nor are they new.

He was teaching from the law of God and upholding it. Him quoting the 2 commandments is proof that he taught the law of God, because to obey those 2 is to obey the law of God.

The law says you must be circumcised, if your not under the law then you are not required to be circumcised.

This is simple and logical and gives the game away.

 

[ace of hearts]

I don't understand what you're asking. All that he taught, and all that he encompasses under the two great commandments as a summary...

Jesus didn't teach the law anywhere. Jesus did answer questions about the law from Jews trying to dispose of Him. Such discussions aren't mandates to keep the law. Jesus didn't tell anyone to keep the law.

 

[ace of hearts]

You are talking by the flesh as if the flesh (carnal nature) is the same as the flesh (body of bone and muscle).

The body of bone and muscle dies. But the carnal nature is born again of the Spirit when you repent of your sin nature and given a spirit that is born of the Spirit.

May I ask you if a particular denomination taught you what you believe, or did you come up with that in your private studies?

What exactly do you think satisfies our physical bodies. Our physical bodies seek to indulge themselves in what pleases them. This is contrary to the law and not subject to it. Yes our soul controls our bodies to a certain extent. Sometimes our bodies control or cause our soul to sin. Like Paul said he couldn't help himself and hated this unholy jihad war.

 

[ace of hearts]

God's people in the OLD TESTAMENT were saved in the same way we are in the NEW TESTAMENT and that is by FAITH *HEBREWS 11. Only difference was in the process. In the OLD TESTAMENT if someone sinned they would have to provide sin offerings and animal sacrifces that pointed to JESUS *JOHN 1:29 in the NEW COVENANT. It was by FAITH that those in the OLD COVENANT were forgiven their sins just like we are in the NEW COVENANT. Main difference here is that God's people in the OLD COVENANT looked forward to the coming Saviour in JESUS while we look back to what Christ has done for us through his blood we are reconciled to Christ. God has always had people in the OLD COVENANT that BELIEVED and FOLLOWED his WORD by faith.

No these OT saints weren't saved until the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

HEBREWS 11

GENESIS 26:5 [5], Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

GENESIS 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

GENESIS 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

2 KINGS 2:11 [11], And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.


Most of your post I agree with. We are saved by Grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. Can you explain yourself further here brother? Sounds like your saying that once we come to Christ we are once saved always saved even if we choose to go back to a life of sin. In your view if a Born again Christian decides to forsake God and returns to a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a saved state before God or an UNSAVED state before God? Are you saying that we are saved while continuin in sin? Are you saying that JESUS cannot save us from our sins?

The Christians doesn't sin by not keeping the law because we're not under (obligated to) that covenant.

 

[ace of hearts]

Please read the post you are responding to.

I don't need your whole post for this question.

 

[ace of hearts]

Please do not expect me to respond to your questions when you ignore the questions and all the scriptures in the posts provided to you that disagree with your teachings that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) have been abolished.

Your choice. You've yet to address JN 15:10 in any meaningful way. You've not posted anything showing your passages are the commandments given by Jesus. So all your statements are subsequent to the OP.

 

[ace of hearts]

Fulfilling the law is something every follower of the Messiah can do, and should be doing every day - Romans 13:8-10

Ps 14:3 disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No these OT saints weren't saved until the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.The Christians doesn't sin by not keeping the law because we're not under (obligated to) that covenant.

What you have posted does not respond to the post and the scriptures you are quoting from, or does it make any sense.

What do you mean that a Christian does not sin by not keeping God's LAW when it is God's LAW (10 commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7?

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT SIN is the transgression of God's LAW *1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

 

[psalm911]

Fulfilling the law is something every follower of the Messiah can do, and should be doing every day - Romans 13:8-10

No, fulfilling the commandment of Christ is what every follower of Christ should do:


John 13:34 King James Version (KJV)
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

And in so doing he has fulfilled the law:

Romans 13:8-10 King James Version (KJV)
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[ace of hearts]

What you have posted does not respond to the post and the scriptures you are quoting from. Or does it make any sense. What do you mean that a Christian does not sin by not keeping God's LAW when it is God's WORD that says that by breaking any one of God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT we commit sin *JAMES 2:10-11? According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT SIN is the transgression of God's LAW *1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

The Christian isn't obligated to the covenant given exclusively to Israel in the desert after departure from Egypt. that covenant is the famous 10 as declared by Moses in Deut 4:13. It's this covenant the new one isn't like. Jeremiah isn't referring to movement from stone tablets to hearts of flesh. Jeremiah is referring to contents. There's nothing in the NT requiring the keeping of the law anytime redemption (salvation) is talked about.

 

[Jonaitis]

Jesus didn't teach the law anywhere.

Why would Jesus, a Jew, teach what was understood by other Jews? You lost me here.

Jesus did answer questions about the law from Jews trying to dispose of Him. Such discussions aren't mandates to keep the law. Jesus didn't tell anyone to keep the law.

Should we keep the two great commandments? If so, where did he quote those two commandments from? Also, why does Jesus and the apostle Paul say that the law is comprehended under these two commandments? You would be contradicting yourself.

The law informs us of what is right, good, and acceptable to God as obedience (not just about our failure to measure up to its righteousness). You cannot obey in the Spirit, without fulfilling the law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Christian isn't obligated to the covenant given exclusively to Israel in the desert after departure from Egypt. that covenant is the famous 10 as declared by Moses in Deut 4:13. It's this covenant the new one isn't like. Jeremiah isn't referring to movement from stone tablets to hearts of flesh. Jeremiah is referring to contents. There's nothing in the NT requiring the keeping of the law anytime redemption (salvation) is talked about.

We are not in the OLD COVENANT now we are in the NEW COVENANT. The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sorry brother only sent in love. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. In fact the scriptures go on to say that all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD do no practice sin (breaking God's Commandments)

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

JOHN 8:34 [34], Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, WHOSOEVER COMMITS SIN IS A SERVANT OF SIN.

Jesus wants to make you free from sin [BREAKING GODS LAW]...

JOHN 8:36 [36], IF THE SON OF MAN SHALL MAKE YOU FREE YOU SHALL BE FREE INDEED.

1 JOHN 3:6 [6], Whosoaver abides in him SINS NOT; WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NEITHER SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM.

1 JOHN 2:4 [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEP NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

1 JOHN 3:7 [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: HE THAT DOES RIGHTOEUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, EVEN HAS HE IS RIGHTOUES.

PSALMS 119:172 [172], My tongue shall speak of your word: for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTRS ARE RIGHTOUESNESS.

1 JOHN 3:8-10 [8], HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.[9], WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; for his nature remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL:whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth
is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

REVELATION 22:14, Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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WHO HAS GOD'S SPIRIT?

ACTS 5:32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN TO THEM WHO OBEY HIM.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27.

Only sent in love brother. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

 

[1stcenturylady]

This is a commandment of God telling us to keep the commandments of Jesus.

Yes, I believe we agree what the commandments of Jesus are don't we? People such as SDAs believe the commandments of Jesus are the Ten Commandments, and they are wrong. They go much deeper than what the 10Cs covered.

 

[Kenny'sID]

If you are a sinner, and going to hell, yes. Those do not have the Spirit. To be free from the law you must have the Spirit. Only those who walk in the Spirit continuously and endure to the end are saved.

Understand?

yes or no please

 

[1stcenturylady]

I don't mean John says sin is OK. John provides a way to make things right if an when we do. Even Paul had a problem. See Rom 7. A sin doesn't void our salvation. It may dirty our robe of righteousness. We have a way to wash it. Yes I agree a Christian doesn't practice sin especially as a life style.

Here we don't agree. I would say to you what I said to Oscarr so read my post to him about Romans 7 in post #103. It is vital that you understand it to understand the rest of Scripture and our New Covenant.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, I believe we agree what the commandments of Jesus are don't we? People such as SDAs believe the commandments of Jesus are the Ten Commandments, and they are wrong. They go much deeper than what the 10Cs covered.

Well that post has no truth in it. How can you separate God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments from LOVE when LOVE is expressed to GOD and our fellow man through them? That is just like saying as long we we love our fellow man it is ok to go out and kill them. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. You do not believe that do you?

That is why scriptures were provided earlier to show that God's LAW is not separated from LOVE and is why JESUS says; ON THESE TWO Great commandments of LOVE HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

Please feel free to respond to all the scripture that disagrees with you here...

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE HANG ALL THE LAW

How can you separate the two great commandments of LOVE to God and man from the Ten Commandments when Jesus says they are connected to LOVE?

Jesus is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 of the OLD TESTAMENT BTW.

Let's look at the scriptures in detail.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Notice the question above asked of Jesus. Now notice the same question asked of Jesus below...

MATTHEW 19:16-19
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
[19], Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Similar question is asked of Jesus but look at the answers Jesus quoting from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18 says that on the two great commandments of LOVE HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets. The rich young ruler comes to Jesus asking what must he DO to inherit eternal life? Jesus quotes back 6 of the 10 Commandments summed up as "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" [On these two Commandments of LOVE hang all the LAW and the prophets.

Now lets look at the same question from a Lawyer (someone who knows the OT laws)..

LUKE 10:25-28
[25], And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tested him, saying, Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[26], He said unto him, what is written in the law? how read you?
[27], And he [the Lawyer] answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.
[28], And he said unto him, you have answered right: this do, and you shall live.

Now take note; The very same questions were asked Jesus but both were answered in a slightly different way. Same question one was answered by Jesus quoting the 10 Commandments and the other was answered by the Lawyer quoting the two great commandments of LOVE from the OLD Testament scriptures in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. It is the two great commandments of LOVE quoted from the OLD TESTAMENT known to Pharisees and experts in the OLD Testament laws that sum up God's 10 commandments as expressed as our duty of LOVE to GOD (first 4) and our fellow man (second 6) and is why Jesus says in MATTHEW 22:40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets...

PAUL understood what JESUS was talking about...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling of the law.

Notice what PAUL says here? LOVE is fulfilling [doing] God's Commandments. God's Commandments or duty towards your neighbor is summed up as you shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself v9. [On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets Matthew 22:40].

PAUL agrees with Jesus that if you LOVE you will fulfill God's LAW. What about JAMES?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James is using the second great commandment of LOVE and quotes the commandments showing our duty towards our neighbor. This is why Jesus says “On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets” Matthew 22:40. and again..

JOHN 14:15 [15], IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

You cannot separate LOVE from God’s LAW. Love is the FULFILLING of it and is demonstrated by OBEDIENCE to Gods’ LAW as our duty of LOVE to God and man. [“On these two commandments [of LOVE] hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets]

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CONCLUSION: It is very clear that JESUS, PAUL and JAMES are all in agreement that the two GREAT COMMANDMENTS of LOVE that JESUS quoted from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 were used and known in the OLD Testament scripture to sum up our duty of LOVE to God and man in the 10 Commandments.... God's LAW (Ten commandments) is not separated from LOVE it demonstrates it. You cannot have LOVE without fulfilling God's Ten Commandments. [On these two Commandments of LOVE hang all the LAW and the prophets].

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If God's LAW is not establsihed in your life you do not have living faith and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:1-4; JOHN 3:3-8; JAMES 2:18-20; 26.

We are not saved by keeping the law. Obedience to God's LAW is the very expression of what LOVE is as we have faith in God's WORD *EPHESIANS 2:8; ROMANS 3:31 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. It is faith the works by LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in those who are born again *ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 3:31.

Let's have a look at the scriptures in detail brother...

LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GOD’S LAW

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling of the law.

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear.

I think you miss the point of LOVE and how you cannot separate LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's LAW because God's 10 Commandments are the very expression of what LOVE is.

* If you LOVE your neighbore will you steal from them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you lie to them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you kill them?

etc etc...

*If you LOVE God will you have other God's?
*If you LOVE God will you make other God's and bow down to them?
*If you LOVE God will you use his name in vain?
*If you LOVE God will you choose to not remember the SEVENTH DAY to keep it Holy?

We can go through all the 10 Commandments which are our duty of LOVE to GOD and our fellow man and how LOVE is expressed and why JESUS says...

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (Love to God and Love to man) HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

Hope this helps.

 

[1stcenturylady]

What exactly do you think satisfies our physical bodies. Our physical bodies seek to indulge themselves in what pleases them. This is contrary to the law and not subject to it. Yes our soul controls our bodies to a certain extent. Sometimes our bodies control or cause our soul to sin. Like Paul said he couldn't help himself and hated this unholy jihad war.

Again, my answer is in #103.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Jesus was talking to the Jews, Jesus was sent only to the Jews. Israel was under the law and Jesus was talking directly to them about the law.

Jesus was not talking to the Gentiles about the law. The Gentiles were never under the law.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Romans 6:15
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?

Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ.

Romans 7:6
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

I'd recommend you all try to keep the commandment in spite of your attempts to prove to yourself you need not worry about them.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

yes or no please

Good luck trying to get an answer to your questions brother. Been there and done that.

 

[1stcenturylady]

yes or no please

Yes, the law exists - but for whom?

No, Christians are not under the law of sin and death engraved on stone, but rather we are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

 

[Kenny'sID]

On what do you base Jesus means the famous 10? Do you have some evidence Jesus issued the famous 10?

I didn't claim he meant anything...you worked that in there somehow.

I simply asked what I asked...I needed to assume nothing in order to ask it.