What caused the Universe?

[-57]

Maybe. Maybe not.

Then you seem to believe that "stuff" can self create itself from nothing.

 

[HitchSlap]

Then you seem to believe that "stuff" can self create itself from nothing.

Like your god?

 

[Speedwell]

Then you seem to believe that "stuff" can self create itself from nothing.

Either that, or "stuff" has always existed in one form or another--whether there is a God or not..

 

[quatona]

God created the universe....for the iniverse to exist..there HAS to be a God. An uncreated being that always was and is.

If I read this correctly, there´s at least something that we can agree upon: Assuming that there has ever been a state of absolute nothingness doesn´t make any sense. So there must have always been something.
However, why you would call that "God" isn´t clear to me (unless you merely use the word "God" as synonym for "that which has always existed").

 

[-57]

If I read this correctly, there´s at least something that we can agree upon: Assuming that there has ever been a state of absolute nothingness doesn´t make any sense. So there must have always been something.
However, why you would call that "God" isn´t clear to me (unless you merely use the word "God" as synonym for "that which has always existed").

Yes, there always was something. I call Him God. God created "stuff" and placed it into this void where there was nothing.

 

[HitchSlap]

Yes, there always was something. I call Him God. God created "stuff" and placed it into this void where there was nothing.

Why do you call all this "stuff" that has always existed a "him"?

 

[-57]

Why do you call all this "stuff" that has always existed a "him"?

The stuff is the matter/energy God created. The stuff is not a him. The stuff was created by Him.

 

[MasonP]

The stuff is the matter/energy God created.

Out of nothing or was there stuff already there?

The stuff is not a him.

We know because you just told us what stuff was.

The stuff was created by Him.

What we want to know is why you keep referring to whatever your God is as a 'Him'? does he have male genitalia that makes 'Him' a male?

 

[quatona]

Yes, there always was something. I call Him God.

That´s quite a leap from "something" to a "Him".

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't care. We've been doing ok without it, so I really don't see how it would make a difference if it showed up now. Do you?

You've never been in a foxhole, have you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Like your god?

No.

God is not self-creating; God is self-existing.

 

[MasonP]

You've never been in a foxhole, have you?

Do you mean he's never been afraid? if Gods only come out when someone is afraid then they are not much use are they?
a fat lot of good it would do ten men in a fox hole all praying to different Gods.
No atheists in a fox hole means men who are afraid will try anything to save themselves even Gods.

 

[HitchSlap]

No.

God is not self-creating; God is self-existing.

Like the universe?

 

[HitchSlap]

The stuff is the matter/energy God created. The stuff is not a him. The stuff was created by Him.

Why do you call this "something" that has always existed, a "him"?

 

[HitchSlap]

You've never been in a foxhole, have you?

Has anyone in a foxhole ever died?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Not really. My problem with 'X is caused by reality": this is entirely banal, and in regards to any given definition of reality tautological. From my current perspective it pretends to say something when it actually says nothing.

That's because you chopped out the important parts. There were other things in there that you chopped out, and then complained that the sentence that remains does not say much!

I could do the same to you. You said "It pretends". Smolly Cow! That says nothing! You have nothing to say? To arrive there, I had to cut words out of your sentence. Same thing you did to me.

Once again, please quit cutting words out of sentences, and then arguing, that since you chopped the sentence to bits there isn't much left!!!!!

Unbelievable.

 

[quatona]

That's because you chopped out the important parts. There were other things in there that you chopped out, and then complained that the sentence that remains does not say much!

What were those important parts that would resolve my problem I described?
I already mentioned one potentially important parts: "[...]ultimate[...]", and I told you that I don´t know how you differenciate between ordinary and "[...]ultimate[...]" reality. Would you be willing to explain this difference to me, and how ordinary and "[...]ultimate[...]" reality relate to each other, in your use of the word?

You are free to explain what I am missing, or to leave it. It certainly isn´t worth the frustration my posts cause you.

I could do the same to you. You said "It pretends".

Sure you could - and if this (as I assume - correct me if I´m wrong) were not a fabricated communication problem and you indeed wouldn´t understand how the rest of my sentence was important for what I wanted to communicate, I would try to explain it to you.

 

[quatona]

You've never been in a foxhole, have you?

I haven´t. Is it a requirement, and if so, for what?

 

[doubtingmerle]

What were those important parts that would resolve my problem I described?
I already mentioned one potentially important parts: "[...]ultimate[...]", and I told you that I don´t know how you differenciate between ordinary and "[...]ultimate[...]" reality. Would you be willing to explain this difference to me, and how ordinary and "[...]ultimate[...]" reality relate to each other, in your use of the word?

You are free to explain what I am missing, or to leave it. It certainly isn´t worth the frustration my posts cause you.


Sure you could - and if this (as I assume) were not a fabricated communication problem and you indeed wouldn´t understand how the rest of my sentence was important for what I wanted to communicate, I would try to explain it to you.

By ultimate reality, I was referring to a reality beyond our space time. That is the part you keep leaving out.

Perhaps this ultimate reality is a continuously inflating space time with quantum ripples that cause other universes. Perhaps it is a field that occasionally creates universes of matter and a corresponding equal and opposite universe of antimatter. Perhaps it is a god. Perhaps it is a kid playing around with chemicals in a gigantic multiverse caused by some higher state of reality. Perhaps it is matter that always existed and creates new universes through the black holes of other universes. Perhaps it is a nucleus of particles that always existed, then suddenly exploded with laws of physics that could not be otherwise. I don't know.

 

[quatona]

By ultimate reality, I was referring to a reality beyond our space time.

Thanks for explaining!