What are your thoughts on this?

[ozso]

So, you're saying children are being thoroughly immersed in LGBTQ+ culture? And where do you see this is happening?

I'm saying there's a sudden push to get little kids immersed in LGBTQ+ culture and especially ideology.

 

[childeye 2]

I'm saying there's a sudden push to get little kids immersed in LGBTQ+ culture and especially ideology.

Do you have evidence or is this coming from a political media source like Fox news?

 

[ozso]

Do you have evidence or is this coming from a political media source like Fox news?

I frequently see it on my regular news feed that displays articles from multiple news and other media sources. Some sources take a pro stance and others take a con stance, but either way it's all over the news and media in general. You'll need to tap into that some if you want an informed understanding of what's being discussed. Otherwise you're going keep asing "what are you talking about?" and interjecting things that aren't germain to the topic into the discussion.

 

[childeye 2]

I frequently see it on my regular news feed that displays articles from multiple news and other media sources. Some sources take a pro stance and others take a con stance, but either way it's all over the news and media in general. You'll need to tap into that some if you want an informed understanding of what's being discussed. Otherwise you're going keep asing "what are you talking about?" and interjecting things that aren't germain to the topic into the discussion.

I'm aware of the issues caused by transgenderism in schools such as what bathrooms to use, what pronouns to use, transgenders in sports, etc.. I'm also aware of drag queens reading to kids.

Are these what you are referencing or is there more?

 

[ozso]

I'm aware of the issues caused by transgenderism in schools such as what bathrooms to use, what pronouns to use, transgenders in sports, etc.. I'm also aware of drag queens reading to kids.

Are these what you are referencing or is there more?

Nope. Just being aware of what's going on in the usual way. You're basically asking me to explain things as if you're in the dark about them, when you're not. What's the reason for that?

 

[rjs330]

didn't see any sexuality actually being directed towards children. The words are written intentionally around the phobia with an if the shoe fits insinuation.

It wasn't satire. That's the claim now that the video is out. But they meant every word of it. And if you are paying attention there are some important words they use that show what they are doing. Mainly conversion.

Most people have seen what you're talking about in gay pride parades, but it's still reckless to make broad generalizations that ultimately slander all those who have been lumped in with the few.

I'm sorry, where is all the gay community on this stuff. If it's only a few where are the rest of them condemning it? When you have a gay pride parades celebrating gay pride and gay pride month it's pretty hard to believe they only represent a few. Where is your evidence of that?

The cross is perseverance in compassion through suffering with others. So yeah, the characterization of warm fuzzies is usually a mockery of those who tickle people's ears. Christ was actually severe with the Pharisee type of self-righteousness but to the sinners who thirst for righteousness he showed compassion.

The problem is these days compassion means acceptance that it's good and right. Jesus did not do that. He was clear that what people did was wrong. He pointed it out. But he was also compassionate towards them. But then most of them weren't trying to convert kids into their sinfulness. I think Jesus would have a thing or two to say about that. Don't you?

Jesus said everyone who didn't believe in him was condemned. We told people it was better to off their hands rather than sin and be sent to hell. Jesus told people to go and sin no more. That tells me he was not opposed to telling people to stop and what they were doing was sinful. Today when you do that you are not being compassionate.

 

[rjs330]

No, I have no problem with saying homosexuality is sin so long as we acknowledge we all have sinned projecting mercy and understanding, and not self-righteousness. It's not wrong for Christians to preach the cross of Christ as God's compassion towards sinners. It's actually the law that condemns us all as guilty and without excuse to condemn others as sinners with our mouths.

"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God".

I don't think any of us have a problem with saying that. The difference is I'm not trying to get children involved in and participating in celebrating my sin. I'm not trying to get kids to be my allies in my sinful behaviors. I'm not marching in the streets waving my sinflag around and telling children they need to explore their own ways of sinning like me.

See the difference?

 

[rjs330]

The thing is, young children don't naturally grasp such concepts, and trying to force them to before they're ready is inappropriate.

Oh I whole heartedly agree.

 

[rjs330]

I'm aware of the issues caused by transgenderism in schools such as what bathrooms to use, what pronouns to use, transgenders in sports, etc.. I'm also aware of drag queens reading to kids.

Are these what you are referencing or is there more?

It's sounds like you might need to educate yourself a little more. Where is this happening you ask?
Television
Movies
Social media
Schools
Drag Queen Story Hour
Pride Month
(A bunch more celebrations throughout the year)
Reading material
Parades
School Assemblies
Songs
Counselors
Doctors

Is that enough or do you want more?

 

[Whyayeman]

So 'woke' means a whole load of things to the people who use it. It seems as if it is always something the user disapproves of, which I had already perceived. I am not much further forward, really.

It would help if I found it in a sentence in which it was used neutrally, or perhaps used by people who are usually the targets for criticism or outright hostility here.

 

[Bradskii]

It seems as if it is always something the user disapproves of, which I had already perceived.

You nailed it...

 

[BPPLEE]

So 'woke' means a whole load of things to the people who use it. It seems as if it is always something the user disapproves of, which I had already perceived. I am not much further forward, really.

It would help if I found it in a sentence in which it was used neutrally, or perhaps used by people who are usually the targets for criticism or outright hostility here.

Woke - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Bradskii]

Woke - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

And from that, a good description of how it's used in this forum:

'By 2020, many on the political right and some in the center in several Western countries began sarcastically using the term as a pejorative for various leftist and progressive movements and ideologies they perceived as overzealous, performative, or insincere. '

In other words, anything the person using it, as a pejorative, doesn't like.

 

[ozso]

So 'woke' means a whole load of things to the people who use it. It seems as if it is always something the user disapproves of, which I had already perceived. I am not much further forward, really.

It would help if I found it in a sentence in which it was used neutrally, or perhaps used by people who are usually the targets for criticism or outright hostility here.

The left have their pejoratives for the right, and the right have their pejoratives for the left.

 

[childeye 2]

It's sounds like you might need to educate yourself a little more. Where is this happening you ask?
Television
Movies
Social media
Schools
Drag Queen Story Hour
Pride Month
(A bunch more celebrations throughout the year)
Reading material
Parades
School Assemblies
Songs
Counselors
Doctors

Is that enough or do you want more?

I appreciate the input. For what it's worth I'm aware of what comprises a society. My questions are directed at using precise language so as to have productive communication.

 

[childeye 2]

I don't think any of us have a problem with saying that. The difference is I'm not trying to get children involved in and participating in celebrating my sin. I'm not trying to get kids to be my allies in my sinful behaviors. I'm not marching in the streets waving my sinflag around and telling children they need to explore their own ways of sinning like me.

See the difference?

What I see is the occasion for misunderstandings when we conflate separate issues. Gay pride parades are not the same thing as transgenders in schools for example. Also, you say, "I'm not trying to get kids to be my allies in my sinful behaviors". That sounds like a blanket accusation which is a typical form of propaganda.

 

[childeye 2]

Nope. Just being aware of what's going on in the usual way. You're basically asking me to explain things as if you're in the dark about them, when you're not. What's the reason for that?

The reason is because when we write "LGBTQ+..." it's usually an over generalization for different topics, as we end up applying sets of people to an issue that actually only involves a subset. This is a typical ploy used by political propagandists who would use say for example, the spectacle of hedonism at Gay pride parades, to create an outrage they can then direct at those who are not even involved in gay pride parades, but are trying to protect the rights of children who are transgender or teens that are gay.

If I were you, to make my argument about children in schools, I would use the term "exposed" rather than "immersed". Children should not be 'exposed' to sexuality in the form of drag queens implies protecting an innocence that is defensible, while "immersed" in LGBTQ+ culture is inflammatory and hyperbolic and indefensible.

 

[ozso]

The reason is because when we write "LGBTQ+..." it's usually an over generalization for different topics, as we end up applying sets of people to an issue that actually only involves a subset. This is a typical ploy used by political propagandists who would use say for example, the spectacle of hedonism at Gay pride parades, to create an outrage they can then direct at those who are not even involved in gay pride parades, but are trying to protect the rights of children who are transgender or teens that are gay.

I have no idea what you're talking about. The LGBT are the ones who use "LGBT" and "LGBTQ+" and so on. It wasn't invented by political propagandists.

If I were you, to make my argument about children in schools, I would use the term "exposed" rather than "immersed". Children should not be 'exposed' to sexuality in the form of drag queens implies protecting an innocence that is defensible, while "immersed" in LGBTQ+ culture is inflammatory and hyperbolic and indefensible.

Nah, kids are already exposed to it. I knew about most of it on a basic level by the time I was 10, which was 51 years ago. What's going on in classrooms, or what they want to go on, is a lot deeper and more involved. They want to shape how kids think. They've pretty much come right out and said that flat out. "We'll teach your children", "we'll convert your children". There's not really any ambiguity happening there. Yet many remain in denial.

 

[rjs330]

I appreciate the input. For what it's worth I'm aware of what comprises a society. My questions are directed at using precise language so as to have productive communication.

Such as?
For example what kind of precise language would you need to say what's going on is schools in relation to this subject?

 

[rjs330]

What I see is the occasion for misunderstandings when we conflate separate issues. Gay pride parades are not the same thing as transgenders in schools for example. Also, you say, "I'm not trying to get kids to be my allies in my sinful behaviors". That sounds like a blanket accusation which is a typical form of propaganda.

It's not propaganda if it's true. LGBT do not separate the issues. They are all under the same umbrella. Hence all the letters together. It's all part of the same thing. Yes it is a blanket accusation because it's a blanket desire. Have you never heard of the queer/straight alliance? The song is a prime example of what they are doing. Converting children to be allies with them. The entire drag manifesto proclaims that is what they are doing. It's time for you to wake up my friend. Why do you think they are having LGBT support assemblies in the schools? Yes I understand that each identity is different. But the goal of pride is to get everyone in board with supporting whatever identity you proclaim and whatever you do. When teachers and schools hang pride flags, the Whitehouse has a pride celebration they are supporting the sin and celebrating it.

Transgenderism goes even further than that but it is part of the entire celebration and alliance with the whole thing.

I will say this, I am not convinced that being trans is a sin. I believe those that are true trans people are mentally ill and thus I don't know if we can categorize mental illness as sin. I can however be against transgenderism which tries very hard to remove mental illness from the equation and also tries very hard to to trans kids without any thought to what damage they are doing to those that are not actually trans. Then there are those in that movement who are lying and misrepresenting their research in order to get more people to push the transing of kids and others. Activists like WPATH.

Here's something very good on what is happening in schools and in general today with this. Three clinicians talking about it. One who actually runs a school that is specifically for kids who are suffering mental health issues.