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Whyayeman

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They know how to teach them good.
Some Christians do. Some do not.

This is a discussion about personal development in schools. I do not think that schools are 'sexualising children' in personal education sessions as another poster has claimed. I am not trying to attack your Bible.
 
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It does not need to be a part of our education system. PERIOD. You "want it". School choice should provide the freedom to us all to see to that right of what we do and do not want then. see equality,in freedom should allow for us all to live in harmony and tolerance in this here great country!!!! .
Maybe you should read a bit more of this thread before jumping in.
 
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Some Christians do. Some do not.
That too is irrelevant. There will always be the "sick" that choose to do what they know is not good. Which all can make laws regarding because all, even those who do choose to do wickedly know the difference. That is what laws are for.
This is a discussion about personal development in schools.
Well I was addressing a post where you made it about the bible, targeting Christians
I do not think that schools are 'sexualising children' in personal education sessions as another poster has claimed.
And that is your decision to think so.
I am not trying to attack your Bible.
Then don't.
 
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Well I was addressing a post where you made it about the bible, targeting Christians
I don't think I did. I referred to religious education in schools, which is not done in some countries but is compulsory in mine. I made what is a valid and uncontested point that it has made no appreciable difference to the moral climate in France compared to the UK.

There is a great deal more to Religious Education than the Bible, as I am sure you understand.
 
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Does that mean the government should take precedence over the parents when it comes to raising their own children?
Nobody has mentioned the government. I think you might be asking what place the Law has in the care of children. Parents are not above the Law; there must be limits on what they can do with their children but as far as I know there is no law against bringing up children according to parental beliefs.
 
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I like the way you carefully word that in such an obviously euphemistic manner to gloss it over. It's material teaching young children all about sexual orientations, sexual preferences, gender choices being gender fluid, gender queer, all the verieties of transexualism, transvestitism, etc.
Yes, that is what it is.

Do you prefer to keep children in ignorance of these aspects of the society they live in? You will fail if that is your aim. Children will learn the facts somehow. Better to learn it in a calm, informative way than to pick up scraps in the playground or through inappropriate sources.

All my posts are carefully worded.
 
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Nobody has mentioned the government. I think you might be asking what place the Law has in the care of children. Parents are not above the Law; there must be limits on what they can do with their children but as far as I know there is no law against bringing up children according to parental beliefs.
There are attempts being made. What in the world do you think all the hoopla is about? Good grief.
 
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Yes, that is what it is.

Do you prefer to keep children in ignorance of these aspects of the society they live in? You will fail if that is your aim. Children will learn the facts somehow. Better to learn it in a calm, informative way than to pick up scraps in the playground or through inappropriate sources.

All my posts are carefully worded.
We all know they also do all other of the domestic services as well.
 
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Do you prefer to keep children in ignorance of these aspects of the society they live in?

You will fail if that is your aim. Children will learn the facts somehow. Better to learn it in a calm, informative way than to pick up scraps in the playground or through inappropriate sources.


Absolutely agree that we as the parents and caregivers, shall offer the children facts. For example, humans born with male genitalia are called boys. Humans born with female genitalia are called girls. Proven fact. Proven beyond acknowledgement.

Children under the age of elementary grades do not need to be schooled about sexual orientation. They aren’t in need to have sex,
nor understanding what masturbation means. Or making out or having babies or
Touching others in their privates or sharing sexual stories or fantasies.
Just as they don’t need to learn how to drive or train to get a job. Or a toddler how to use a knife to slice fish for dinner. I mean, if you say “yes” to any of that I’ve listed above, well...we all know now that this is a major psychological-mentally ill agenda that certain people will follow until death.
All my posts are carefully worded.
To your advantage.
 
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Nobody has mentioned the government. I think you might be asking what place the Law has in the care of children. Parents are not above the Law; there must be limits on what they can do with their children but as far as I know there is no law against bringing up children according to parental beliefs.
When you mention public schools you are talking about the state and federal governments
 
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Absolutely agree that we as the parents and caregivers, shall offer the children facts. For example, humans born with male genitalia are called boys. Humans born with female genitalia are called girls. Proven fact. Proven beyond acknowledgement.
That is irrelevant to the business of education. children will hear about the issues arising from sexual dysphoria. It is all over the media. People on this forum obsess about it all the time. There will be children in the same school, perhaps the same class, who are worried about their sexuality - yes, at an early age. The time when children never heard about these things is long gone. They are social issues which cannot be simply erased.
Children under the age of elementary grades do not need to be schooled about sexual orientation. They aren’t in need to have sex,
nor understanding what masturbation means. Or making out or having babies or
Touching others in their privates or sharing sexual stories or fantasies.
I disagree. It should be in a safe, controlled environment - across the kitchen table or in the classroom, but in a proper moral setting. It is when families cannot or will not discuss these matters that children get the wrong end of the stick.

Another poster wrote elequently about teaching kindness, understanding and the avoidance of hate. Everybody here seemed to agree that there should be no hate, but how do parents control that when they have taken a decision not to teach about these things and not to allow anybody else to?

To your advantage.
I think that last remark is unhelpful, not to say sarcastic. True, I put my case as well as I can. Then I reread my posts. Do the same. I want no less.
 
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When you mention public schools you are talking about the state and federal governments
I thought your schools were governed by Boards and county authorities and such like - a bit like ours. The only way governments can intervene is through the passing of laws. I don't usually much like the results of distant authorities interfering in local affairs and for the most part they don't.
 
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Adults regardless of sexual orientation, political view, should fight for common sense in keeping the innocence in children as long as possible.
There SHOULD NOT BE ANY AGENDA FROM ANY PARTY that helps facilitate the acceleration of children’s mentality; whether in sexuality or violence (and anything along those lines). Everything is relevant when it deals with the safety and concern of those who depend on us, the adults. Come on, does no one have a conscious anymore?
 
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It's literally what you said they were doing. Now you say it's not what they are doing.

'...they are teaching kids to be good and accepting of others.'

Pick a lane. Please.
That's what you said. Please keep it straight will you. I said they were CONVERTING kids and also gave a long list on how. You say they are just trying to teach kids to be good and accepting. Minimizing what they are doing and trying to push it into the realm of what you wish they were doing. You are denying reality.
 
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One is sex, the other is gender.

If a 12 year old says she's confused about her gender, she needs our help. If the parents of a 12 year old say that they are going to present her in a competition with make up, lipstick, high heels, bouffant hair etc. then those parents need help.

Now you agree with both of those statements. How we help the first girl is a debatable point. But we'd both agree she needs it. What can possibly be said in defence of the second?

And please don't try to make any sort of point by trying to defend it. Any post that starts with the word 'So...' will be ignored.
Really? A kid at twelve days she thinks she might be a boy and so the parents and teacher, counselors and clinicians all jp on that and push the girl into becoming a boy, feed her drugs change her pronouns and names eventually encouraging her to cut off her breasts and you think beauty pageant parents need help?

What if the beauty pageant kid wants to do it? It's her consent to do it?

But if a parent dresses a boy up in women's clothing puts make up on and high heels dances around on a stage twerking and such in front of adults who toss money at him and you think the beauty pageant parents need help?

Your lack of logic is astounding.
 
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Schools do not put on such things. These pageants sexualise little girls, something you have expressed an opinion about. I think it is relevant to the discussion since you consider that anything that parents authorise for their children is all right by you.
That's the lefts view. Hey if they sexualize their little boys by letting them dress up in sexy girls outfits, wear make up, high heels and dance twerking in front of adults when throw money at him it's just fine and should applauded. The left thinks that's wonderful. But the they get all bent out of shape at beauty pageants? Where oh where is the common sense?
 
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I thought your schools were governed by Boards and county authorities and such like - a bit like ours. The only way governments can intervene is through the passing of laws. I don't usually much like the results of distant authorities interfering in local affairs and for the most part they don't.
https://reason.com/volokh/2022/03/21/who-decides-what-is-taught-in-government-run-k-12-schools/#:~:text=Usually%20it's%20done%20by%20administrators,department%20heads%20in%20other%20departments.
 
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