What are your thoughts on this?

[Whyayeman]

I agree. It's creepy and unhealthy for children. It should have had a stop put to it a long time ago.

Yes, it is creepy. It is led by parents, who according to some here, know better than teachers - the so-called experts - what is good for children's development.

How can a poster object to an informative, personal development visual aid and not be repulsed by 'junior beauty pageants'?

I agree, but if the child agrees and consents what difference does it make? What if the child wants to do that?

Wow! You should think that through. Children as young as five are equipped to make a decision like that? Really?

The idea is that conservatives supposedly approve child beauty pageants, so it's being used as a double standard and hypocrisy accusation.

The idea was that parents are responsible for these, not educators. I asked whether anybody approved.

But, yes, if you can approve of these 'beauty pageants' for little girls while raising your hands in horror at a cartoon of a fictional beast, I think you are applying double standards about sexualising little children.

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, it is creepy. It is led by parents, who according to some here, know better than teachers - the so-called experts - what is good for children's development.

How can a poster object to an informative, personal development visual aid and not be repulsed by 'junior beauty pageants'?

Wow! You should think that through. Children as young as five are equipped to make a decision like that? Really?

The idea was that parents are responsible for these, not educators. I asked whether anybody approved.

But, yes, if you can approve of these 'beauty pageants' for little girls while raising your hands in horror at a cartoon of a fictional beast, I think you are applying double standards about sexualising little children.

Which schools are hosting these beauty pageants? Is it part of the curriculum? If not it’s irrelevant

 

[Whyayeman]

Which schools are hosting these beauty pageants? Is it part of the curriculum? If not it’s irrelevant

Schools do not put on such things. These pageants sexualise little girls, something you have expressed an opinion about. I think it is relevant to the discussion since you consider that anything that parents authorise for their children is all right by you.

 

[look4hope]

Please be advice that I am not sorry for the following.

If any person includes CHILDREN in anything that involves sex, chasing after them, trapping, getting them, converting them, is considered mentally ill. Is considered a pedophile.

There’s absolutely no mistake.
Yeah...message goes to you. The one and all of you that see nothing wrong.
Common sense much?

 

[BPPLEE]

Schools do not put on such things. These pageants sexualise little girls, something you have expressed an opinion about. I think it is relevant to the discussion since you consider that anything that parents authorise for their children is all right by you.

Really? I wasn’t aware that was my position? I said parents have a right to teach their values to their children. That doesn’t mean that there are no bad parents. How do you feel about little kids at drag shows with scantily clad drag queens gyrating and kids stuffing tips in their waistbands?

 

[ozso]

Yes, it is creepy. It is led by parents, who according to some here, know better than teachers - the so-called experts - what is good for children's development.

How can a poster object to an informative, personal development visual aid and not be repulsed by 'junior beauty pageants'?

Wow! You should think that through. Children as young as five are equipped to make a decision like that? Really?

The idea was that parents are responsible for these, not educators. I asked whether anybody approved.

But, yes, if you can approve of these 'beauty pageants' for little girls while raising your hands in horror at a cartoon of a fictional beast, I think you are applying double standards about sexualising little children.

As objectionable as child beauty pageants are, it's not the same as LGBTQ school curriculum that involves tens of millions of elementary school students.

 

[Whyayeman]

As objectionable as child beauty pageants are, it's not the same as LGBTQ school curriculum that involves tens of millions of elementary school students.

I was not objecting to them, merely providing evidence that parents are not necessarily the best judges in the raising of children. What I object to is the attitude that teachers don't do the best they can for their charges and that parents should automatically know best. They sometimes do not.

 

[ozso]

I was not objecting to them, merely providing evidence that parents are not necessarily the best judges in the raising of children. What I object to is the attitude that teachers don't do the best they can for their charges and that parents should automatically know best. They sometimes do not.

There's lots of examples of bad parents and bad teachers. But when it comes to what is taught in schools, that's determined by the board of education. By the governing faculty.

 

[BPPLEE]

I was not objecting to them, merely providing evidence that parents are not necessarily the best judges in the raising of children. What I object to is the attitude that teachers don't do the best they can for their charges and that parents should automatically know best. They sometimes do not.

Does that mean the government should take precedence over the parents when it comes to raising their own children?

 

[Divide]

I made up a statement by a hypothetical teacher saying that the school taught kindness and respect and you say it's lies? That is very weird indeed.

Because that's how the gtdz agenda talks about supporting them and that's where the lie is. It's like saying the gays don't hurt anybody and love the Lord themselves. That sounds ok on the surface but can not be so because it is sinful behavior to begin with. So no Christians can not rally accept them even if our mission is to Love God and Love our neighbor.

Maybe lie was kind of strong. We could call it doubletalk, would that be better?

 

[ralliann]

It is compulsory to teach the Bible in UK schools. The law also requires schools to hold a daily act of worship. It is illegal to teach the Bible in France. French children are at least as well behaved as British.

I don't think it makes a difference to children's behaviour.

This does not address either the situation going on today in our schools. Or does it contradict scripture...


Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Col 3:20 Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.

Mt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Lu 7: 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Lu 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

You do not need to be a Christian to have concern over Schools threatening the parental role. that is a natural thing. British or French.....Atheists have complained about this very thing themselves.
When parents get upset is when others seek control over the "good", being taught their children.

So, there is no there, there with this. It is simply Propoganda.
It is also natural to.........Love those that love you.
Lu 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
You see, an atheist, and a Christian might disagree on the nuances of what this is. And neither Atheists, nor secular, nor Christian, want their parental rights taken away to enforce something they think "wrong". Which in actuality ends up teaching rebellion in those children against their parents. None want it. Well except Marxist communists. Why oh why not just go live in China? And let us live in the form of government we set?

 

[Whyayeman]

There's lots of examples of bad parents and bad teachers. But when it comes to what is taught in schools, that's determined by the board of education. By the governing faculty.

Yes, but the issue is the sexualising of children. I do not think the example of a cartoon in a visual aid in personal development classes is sexualising children. I think the dressing up of little girls like this is sexualising them. And so, I think, do other posters here. You are sounding shifty now.

This is from an interview with a seven year old contestant:

Did she enjoy entering the beauty pageant? Amber thinks for a second and then nods her head. Will she be entering any more? "Yes." She pauses, a touch uncertainly. "If Mummy told me to."

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, but the issue is the sexualising of children. I do not think the example of a cartoon in a visual aid in personal development classes is sexualising children. I think the dressing up of little girls like this is sexualising them. And so, I think, do other posters here. You are sounding shifty now.

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This is from an interview with a seven year old contestant:

Did she enjoy entering the beauty pageant? Amber thinks for a second and then nods her head. Will she be entering any more? "Yes." She pauses, a touch uncertainly. "If Mummy told me to."

 

[Whyayeman]

This does not address either the situation going on today in our schools. Or does it contradict scripture...


Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Col 3:20 Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.

Mt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Lu 7: 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Lu 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

You do not need to be a Christian to have concern over Schools threatening the parental role. that is a natural thing. British or French.....Atheists have complained about this very thing themselves.
When parents get upset is when others seek control over the "good", being taught their children.

So, there is no there, there with this. It is simply Propoganda.
It is also natural to.........Love those that love you.
Lu 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
You see, an atheist, and a Christian might disagree on the nuances of what this is. And neither Atheists, nor secular, nor Christian, want their parental rights taken away to enforce something they think "wrong". Which in actuality ends up teaching rebellion in those children against their parents. None want it. Well except Marxist communists. Why oh why not just go live in China? And let us live in the form of government we set?

I am indifferent about what the Bible says about bringing up children. It is an irrelevance. So-called Christian teaching has no bearing on the moral condition of France where religion is not taught in schools and in the UK where it is compulsory. People grow up in both countries about the same morally.

 

[ozso]

Yes, but the issue is the sexualising of children. I do not think the example of a cartoon in a visual aid in personal development classes is sexualising children. I think the dressing up of little girls like this is sexualising them. And so, I think, do other posters here. You are sounding shifty now.

View attachment 333741

This is from an interview with a seven year old contestant:

Did she enjoy entering the beauty pageant? Amber thinks for a second and then nods her head. Will she be entering any more? "Yes." She pauses, a touch uncertainly. "If Mummy told me to."

Other than making me out to be shifty, what's the conclusion you've reached? I already agree that child beauty pageants sexualize children. So now what?

 

[ozso]

I am indifferent about what the Bible says about bringing up children. It is an irrelevance. So-called Christian teaching has no bearing on the moral condition of France where religion is not taught in schools and in the UK where it is compulsory. People grow up in both countries about the same morally.

It has plenty of relevance here.

 

[Whyayeman]

Other than making me out to be shifty, what's the conclusion you've reached?

This:

I do not think the example of a cartoon in a visual aid in personal development classes is sexualising children. I think the dressing up of little girls like this is sexualising them.

(I have already said this in post # 473.)

 

[ralliann]

I am indifferent about what the Bible says about bringing up children.

So why bring it up? The bible itself is indifferent as well.

It is an irrelevance.

And that is why you are ignorant to the fact that what you posted said nothing to that issue. Therefore propoganda.

So-called Christian teaching has no bearing on the moral condition of France where religion is not taught in schools and in the UK where it is compulsory. People grow up in both countries about the same morally.

It has to do with obedience as Children to their parents. They know how to teach them good. So it is truly irrelevant. What is....is taking away the parental rights concerning the parents Christian or not. Just parents, all parents, Even atheists decried this....Good day!

 

[ozso]

This:

I do not think the example of a cartoon in a visual aid in personal development classes is sexualising children.

I like the way you carefully word that in such an obviously euphemistic manner to gloss it over. It's material teaching young children all about sexual orientations, sexual preferences, gender choices being gender fluid, gender queer, all the verieties of transexualism, transvestitism, etc.

I think the dressing up of little girls like this is sexualising them.

I agree.

(I have already said this in post # 473.)

 

[ralliann]

This:

I do not think the example of a cartoon in a visual aid in personal development classes is sexualising children. I think the dressing up of little girls like this is sexualising them.

(I have already said this in post # 473.)

It does not need to be a part of our education system. PERIOD. You "want it". School choice should provide the freedom to us all to see to that right of what we do and do not want then. see equality,in freedom should allow for us all to live in harmony and tolerance in this here great country!!!! .