What are the conditions for salvation?

[concretecamper]

The word being translated as "saved" is
ἰαθῆτε (iathēte) which means "healed" as in to heal, I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease. As used in Luke 17:15

Someone got a Greek lexicon starter kit for Christmas. Now we have another Greek expert

 

[Servus]

Someone got a Greek lexicon starter kit for Christmas. Now we have another Greek expert

Deflection.

 

[Andrewn]

The word being translated as "saved" is ἰαθῆτε (iathēte) which means "healed" as in to heal, I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease. As used in Luke 17:15

Could you explain to me salvation in fullness. How do I know for sure without a shadow of a doubt I’m going to heaven. I had believed I was saved at twelve but I don’t know anymore. I attend a baptist church but I believe I’m non denominational . I don’t know???? I want to do right and live for Christ. I pray and pray but I don’t hear Gods voice anymore. I use to have this can’t help but shouting feeling but now it’s gone!!

The idea that salvation is healing is essential. In Eph 6:17, the apostle Paul writes, "Take the helmet of salvation." And in 1Th 5:8, he writes, "and for a helmet [put on] the hope of salvation." The word for salvation here is “Soteria,” which means deliverance from the molestation of enemies. So, salvation means spiritual healing and power against the flesh and satan.

This helmet that protects our minds comes through the Holy Spirit. I knew that I was saved only when I received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit 30 years ago.

By proclaiming that Jesus is Lord and acknowledging the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, we accept God's power that accomplishes our salvation. Please check previous messages that were written about this. A few participants explained salvation very nicely in this thread. Going through their answers may be helpful.

If you feel uneasy in your Baptist church, remember that there are other options. Non-denominational churches vary, with some being Baptist and others Pentecostal. While most Baptists are cessationists, I find it hard to agree with this view fully. I recommend considering denominations like the Assemblies of God or Free Methodists, which offer different perspectives.

I want you to know that your thoughts and comments are always welcome.

 

[Servus]

The idea that salvation is healing is essential. In Eph 6:17, the apostle Paul writes, "Take the helmet of salvation." And in 1Th 5:8, he writes, "and for a helmet [put on] the hope of salvation." The word for salvation here is “Soteria,” which means deliverance from the molestation of enemies. So, salvation means spiritual healing and power against the flesh and satan.

I'm pretty sure the way James 5:16 was being used is it supposedly stipulates confessing your sins to a priest on a regular basis is one of the sacraments necessary to maintain salvation from hell. Unfortunately the person I was responding to opted to deflect with sarcastic mockery rather than offering any type of clarification.

 

[concretecamper]

I'm pretty sure

that says it all. And you expect a serious discussion when you assume what someone meant and put pretty sure. If you want to start over, please go ahead.

 

[Servus]

that says it all. And you expect a serious discussion when you assume what someone meant and put pretty sure. If you want to start over, please go ahead.

You seem more interested in putting people down than discussing.

 

[Faith over Fear]

The idea that salvation is healing is essential. In Eph 6:17, the apostle Paul writes, "Take the helmet of salvation." And in 1Th 5:8, he writes, "and for a helmet [put on] the hope of salvation." The word for salvation here is “Soteria,” which means deliverance from the molestation of enemies. So, salvation means spiritual healing and power against the flesh and satan.

This helmet that protects our minds comes through the Holy Spirit. I knew that I was saved only when I received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit 30 years ago.

By proclaiming that Jesus is Lord and acknowledging the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, we accept God's power that accomplishes our salvation. Please check previous messages that were written about this. A few participants explained salvation very nicely in this thread. Going through their answers may be helpful.

If you feel uneasy in your Baptist church, remember that there are other options. Non-denominational churches vary, with some being Baptist and others Pentecostal. While most Baptists are cessationists, I find it hard to agree with this view fully. I recommend considering denominations like the Assemblies of God or Free Methodists, which offer different perspectives.

I want you to know that your thoughts and comments are always welcome.

Thank you so much!

 

[Rose_bud]

I'm pretty sure the way James 5:16 was being used is it supposedly stipulates confessing your sins to a priest on a regular basis is one of the sacraments necessary to maintain salvation from hell. Unfortunately the person I was responding to opted to deflect with sarcastic mockery rather than offering any type of clarification.

hi there

The text says confess your (missing the mark) one to another, and pray for one another, so not necessarily a priest. But I'm sure the priest will appreciate the prayers

 

[BBAS 64]

Good day,

The only condition ... is you are a sinner that is all we bring to the table.

In Him

Bill

 

[DragonFox91]

The better question is what are things the Spirit teaches you so you know you've been picked for salvation. I answered 3 & then 5-10 are beliefs that stem from knowing God picked you. 4 is tricky. I think it should be that way, but think infant baptism "counts".

 

[Andrewn]

Good day, The only condition ... is you are a sinner that is all we bring to the table.

would you then need to believe in #3, #7, and #8?

 

[BBAS 64]

would you then need to believe in #3, #7, and #8?

Good day,

For salvation no....

3 is a Theological question I think saved people can debate it

The others are Historical in nature and taught with in the bible and impact the very nature of Christ and His gospel.

The only condition you need is your sinfulness that make salvation necessary.

That being said.. there are things (conditions) that God has to bring about.

He adopts his children
He gives them to Christ
He removes their heart of stone
He gives them a heart of flesh
He puts His Spirit in them
He causes them to walk in His ways, and obey his statues
He makes them His own, and he becomes their God
He grants them Faith
He grants them repentance
He declares them Just
Christ dies for them
Christ turns away the just Wrath of God against them
Christ does the will of the Father and raises them up on the last day
Christ loses none of them
Christ mediates peace between them and God
Christ is their righteousness
Christ transfers them from the darkness to light
Christ intercedes on their behalf
Christ is their High priest
Christ knows them, and calls them





and on and no and on...

These are just some of the tings God does... Now we are effected by these things for sure, but those things are not the cause... God is

We believe because God grants faith
We are His because He adopts us
We repent because God grants Repentance
We walk in his ways because he placed His Spirit in us

God has a purpose for everything he does and he does them with out fail and perfectly so that his purposes stand.

In Him,

Bill

 

[GtheKid1224]

This is a deep topic but there are a lot of requirements actually. Have you ever read Matthew 25 and John 15? The simplest answer I can give you at the moment is understanding all of the parables Jesus told. Since the parables He told in Matthew 13 are about the kingdom of heaven, one would have to know and understand fully what they mean in order to go there. There is another main criteria and that involves knowing and keeping the new covenant. Saying “I am saved” is the worst thing a Christian can do and is not humble at all.

 

[Andrewn]

The better question is what are things the Spirit teaches you so you know you've been picked for salvation. I answered 3 & then 5-10 are beliefs that stem from knowing God picked you. 4 is tricky. I think it should be that way, but think infant baptism "counts".

I see that everyone has yet to vote for #3. This surprises me, but perhaps I should have worded it differently. I agree that infant baptism counts but expect that some Christians may insist on adult baptism.

 

[IamHope]

I had believed I was saved at twelve but I don’t know anymore. I attend a baptist church but I believe I’m non denominational . I don’t know???? I want to do right and live for Christ. I pray and pray but I don’t hear Gods voice anymore.

Once you are saved you are indwelled with the Holy Spirit. It's a process of acknowledging Jesus as your Saviour and repenting of your sins- you have to learn how to do it and follow the resources and suggestions already mentioned. You cannot just think you are saved. When you are saved and born again, you must have faith in Him and that comes with confidence that you build by reading God's word AND through prayer, every day- never ceasing, as Apostle Paul says. God will speak to you through His word when you have taken care of the sins in your life. The wage of sin is death (separation from God). You can pray all day long and He won't be listening until you take care of those sins!

John 14:17 NASB20
[17] the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 NKJV
Rejoice always, [17] pray without ceasing, [18] in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Hebrews 11:1-40
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Read the entire chapter about what faith is 1-40)

Romans 6:23 NKJV
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Faith over Fear]

Once you are saved you are indwelled with the Holy Spirit. It's a process of acknowledging Jesus as your Saviour and repenting of your sins- you have to learn how to do it and follow the resources and suggestions already mentioned. You cannot just think you are saved. When you are saved and born again, you must have faith in Him and that comes with confidence that you build by reading God's word AND through prayer, every day- never ceasing, as Apostle Paul says. God will speak to you through His word when you have taken care of the sins in your life. The wage of sin is death (separation from God). You can pray all day long and He won't be listening until you take care of those sins!

John 14:17 NASB20
[17] the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 NKJV
Rejoice always, [17] pray without ceasing, [18] in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Hebrews 11:1-40
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Read the entire chapter about what faith is 1-40)

Romans 6:23 NKJV
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I am trying to get sin out of my life!!!! IT HAS NOT BEEN EASY!!!! Are you saying as long as I have sin in my life I can’t have a relationship with God???? I am truly trying so hard to get things right……..

I will go read the the passage you referred to in Hebrews 11

- thanks -

 

[IamHope]

I am truly trying so hard to get things right……..

You said God used to speak to you but no longer. I gave you the bible reference to explain what happens when you sin. If you want to have a relationship with God and He commands you not to sin, what do you expect from him when you knowingly sin? You are mocking Him. You have the choice not to sin. Nothing good is easy. God is nothing but good.


Galatians 6:7-8 ESV

Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. [8] For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

 

[Servus]

I am trying to get sin out of my life!!!! IT HAS NOT BEEN EASY!!!! Are you saying as long as I have sin in my life I can’t have a relationship with God???? I am truly trying so hard to get things right……..

I will go read the the passage you referred to in Hebrews 11

- thanks

Jesus said the man who admits he is a sinner and asks God for mercy is justified (Luke 18:9-14). One admits that they're a sinner. One holding onto sin is the problem. Not wanting to let it go. Loving sin more than God. When one wants to give up sin and get it out of their life, that's through the prompting of God. God is always seeking a relationship with us. The problem is on our end on whether or not we accept or reject God reaching out to us.

 

[Servus]

You said God used to speak to you but no longer. I gave you the bible reference to explain what happens when you sin. If you want to have a relationship with God and He commands you not to sin, what do you expect from him when you knowingly sin? You are mocking Him. You have the choice not to sin. Nothing good is easy. God is nothing but good.


Galatians 6:7-8 ESV

Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. [8] For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

There's a difference between knowing you're a sinner and knowingly (willfully) indulging in sinning. Wilful sinners aren't trying to get sin out of their life (repenting). As Jesus said in Luke 18:9-14 it's the man who doesn't believe he's a sinner and thinks he's righteous (sinless) who's in trouble.

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10

 

[IamHope]

There's a difference between knowing you're a sinner and knowingly (willfully) indulging in sinning. Wilful sinners aren't trying to get sin out of their life (repenting). As Jesus said in Luke 18:9-14 it's the man who doesn't believe he's a sinner and thinks he's righteous (sinless) who's in trouble.

I really do not understand what you are saying, it does not make sense to me. If you are correcting me, please explain what you are saying. If you have a question about my comment, I will gladly try and answer.

What I do know is that "Faith over Fear" has a sin problem as he says, "I am trying to get sin out of my life!!!! ".

I was trying to help him find his way back into a place he wanted to be, with Jesus. This seemed important for "Faith and Fear" and his questions sounded urgent to me.

God hates sin. There are no differences in sinners, they are sinners. They come in all shapes and forms and sin for all kinds of reasons- just like you and me. We all have to build our faith to fight off sin and it takes work to do so- every day in every way. Supporting each other in Christ is our best choice to win the race against sin. Wouldn't you agree?