As said before - Elijah was taken to heaven where the LORD GOD is - exactly what the Holy Scripture clearly states outright - to assume that he fell to the earth is ridiculous as that ridiculous notion is in direct opposition to what the scripture says plainlySo what? Does that mean the atmosphere didn't exist in the OT? What are you trying to say?
As said before - Elijah was taken to heaven where the LORD GOD is - exactly what the Holy Scripture clearly states outright - to assume that he fell to the earth is ridiculous as that ridiculous notion is in direct opposition to what the scripture says plainly
This matter is so elementary basic and simple , there is no place at all whatsoever in all of scripture where God took a Godly man that he is pleased with and took him only to the sky and just let him loose there in the sky - there is this thing called gravity that will cause the person to plummet down to the ground and die - they will not survive such a fall - it is known as elementary level sensibility - having the level of understanding what happens when you take something that weighs approx 200lbs high up into the sky and drop it.Come on. You know it doesn't say that. Why do you insist on fighting me every time I present evidence contrary to what you believe? Is it so hard for you to admit that you've learned something new?
And this is the sign of a mature and wise Christian. Someone who's not too proud to consider other possibilities, even if they contradict popular beliefs. Looking for the truth, whatever that truth may be.
You really haven't been paying attention at all. The letter references the fact that King Jehoram killed his brothers as soon as he came to power. Which means he came to power (which we know happened 5 years after the whirlwind), then killed his brothers and then the letter was written. In that order.You can believe whatever you want to - but you have no way of knowing when Eljiah penned that letter - you only know when it was received - it has been made abundantly clear that you should be seeking how to prove when the letter was written -
TribulationSigns gave you a good answer and explanationYou really haven't been paying attention at all. The letter references the fact that King Jehoram killed his brothers as soon as he came to power. Which means he came to power (which we know happened 5 years after the whirlwind), then killed his brothers and then the letter was written. In that order.
You're right, this is elementary.
You really haven't been paying attention at all. The letter references the fact that King Jehoram killed his brothers as soon as he came to power. Which means he came to power (which we know happened 5 years after the whirlwind), then killed his brothers and then the letter was written. In that order.
It was the son of Jehosephat who received the letter, and he was the king of Judah.After researching with the Bible, here is my biblical response:
I do not see anywhere that Elijah went up to heaven before he sent the letter to King Jehoram of Judah. Do you realize that there are two King Jehoram? Based on 1 Kings 22:50 and 2 Kings 1:17, Jehoram became King of JUDAH two years before a different King Jehoram became King of Israel!
It's only a chronological problem if you think Elijah went up to the third heaven, which we know he didn't because Jesus said so.Well, after Jehoram murdered his brothers (evidently to secure his own rule), the king received a letter of rebuke from Elijah the prophet (2 Chr 21:12–15). This letter poses chronological problems because 2 Kings indicates that Elijah was taken up to heaven during the reign of Jehoshaphat sometime after Ahab’s death (cf. 1:1–3:11). My friend suggested that Elijah, having received a prophecy from the Lord about Jehoram’s future actions, penned the letter before being taken to heaven. Elijah then sealed the letter and left instructions for it to be delivered to Jehoram only after a certain event transpired (possibly the revolt of the Edomites when they installed a king [2 Chr 21:8]). One can only imagine the effect that Elijah’s letter, written years earlier but accurate in its foretelling of his evil deeds, had on Jehoram.
I do appreciate his effort to research and give educated responses.TribulationSigns gave you a good answer and explanation
But yet you would rather believe that Elijah was taken up into the sky and just left there , not going any further - even though a multitude of scriptures ALWAYS mean they go to be in heaven WITH GOD - NEVER anything close to what you are assumingI do appreciate his effort to research and give educated responses.
It would be nice if you gave equally educated responses. They would be much easier to respond to than this mish mash of unsupported claims you like to throw out.But yet you would rather believe that Elijah was taken up into the sky and just left there , not going any further - even though a multitude of scriptures ALWAYS mean they go to be in heaven WITH GOD - NEVER anything close to what you are assuming
It's only a chronological problem if you think Elijah went up to the third heaven, which we know he didn't because Jesus said so.
You do realize that Jesus said nobody has ascended up into heaven, right?
It would be nice if you gave equally educated responses. They would be much easier to respond to than this mish mash of unsupported claims you like to throw out.
And this is the foundational belief that leads so many believers down the wrong path. You can't possibly understand certain scriptures if you believe we are already immortal spiritual beings, in no need of resurrection and transformation. There is no spirit that goes to heaven when we die. Scripture clearly refutes that notion. When we die we return to dust to "sleep with our fathers" until the resurrection. It's as simple as that.Elijah, like all true believers, including Enoch, never died. But like all believers, his body died, while he was taken to heaven in his spirit.
There is no spirit that goes to heaven when we die. Scripture clearly refutes that notion.
That's a real stretch, and it seems to me you're only making that stretch to fit with your notion that people go to heaven when they die.Of course, I do realize but you misunderstood what Christ said.
No one is trying to "write away" God's word. As I said, All of God's word is absolutely true. It's your understanding of it that is flawed. For example, God's Word that Elijah must come first (before Christ) was true, but the Judaizer's understanding of that word is what was flawed, not the word. Furthermore, John 3:13 doesn't say no one has ever gone into heaven, it says no one hath ascended into heaven but He (Christ) who came down from heaven. Meaning the people on earth to whom he is talking. For example, the ONLY man on earth who hath ascended up to heaven and came down to tell them of heavenly things, is Christ! Selah! The whole context illustrates this is what Christ was exegeting to them. Never cut out the context.
John 3:12-13
People like to "isolate" certain passages and read them in a vacuum, but the context is very plain that Christ is not saying no one who died ever went to heaven like Moses, Elijah and Enoch, etc. but no one (on earth) has gone to heaven to tell them of heavenly things except Christ who is the only one who came down from heaven "expressly for that purpose." That's not "writing away" scripture, that is circumspectly exegeting it.
- "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
- And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
That's a real stretch, and it seems to me you're only making that stretch to fit with your notion that people go to heaven when they die.
Show us that Scripture that specifically states that no spirit can go into heaven when we die?
Not my fault that when I give you MANY scriptures that you don't understand them .You do realize that Jesus said nobody has ascended up into heaven, right?
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