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[Occams Barber]

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

QV please:

Strangest Locations Hurricanes Have Formed Around the World

Some mentioned are:

Brazil = Hurricane Catarina
Hawaii = Hurricane Iniki
Newfoundland = Hurricane Igor

A) Your Bible quote is limited to 'famines, pestilences (i.e., diseases) and earthquakes. It doesn't mention hurricanes.

B) "Divers places" means 'many different places. It does not mean 'strange places'

OB

 

[Postvieww]

It seems this has been well refuted in this thread.

U.S. Hurricane Strikes by Decade

www.nhc.noaa.gov

1851-1950 5 years had twenty or more 1951-2004 0 years had twenty or more

 

[Frank Robert]

U.S. Hurricane Strikes by Decade

www.nhc.noaa.gov

1851-1950 5 years had twenty or more 1951-2004 0 years had twenty or more

In order to eliminate cherry picking I ran the numbers with ChatGPT for 50 year periods.

Results:

From 1970 to 2021, there have been a total of 317 named storms (which include tropical storms and hurricanes) in the Atlantic basin, according to the National Hurricane Center. Out of those, 139 were hurricanes and 51 were major hurricanes (Category 3 or higher).​

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From 1900 to 1950, there were a total of 89 hurricanes and 30 were major hurricanes that made landfall in the United States, according to the National Hurricane Center.​

 

[Postvieww]

In order to eliminate cherry picking I ran the numbers with ChatGPT for 50 year periods.

Results:

From 1970 to 2021, there have been a total of 317 named storms (which include tropical storms and hurricanes) in the Atlantic basin, according to the National Hurricane Center. Out of those, 139 were hurricanes and 51 were major hurricanes (Category 3 or higher).​

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From 1900 to 1950, there were a total of 89 hurricanes and 30 were major hurricanes that made landfall in the United States, according to the National Hurricane Center.​

US hurricane landfalls

www.aoml.noaa.gov

Hurricans that made landfall US

1850-1890 180.
1900-1940. 185.
1950-2000 160.
2000-2022 86.


1850-1870. 94
1900- 1920 104
1950-1970 98
2000-2022 86


By any measure hurricanes making landfall in the US are down not up.

Note more hurricanes before cars and electricity became a major deal.

There is no major weather threat increase from hurricanes cause by hamburger patties and cow gas.

BTW Tucker made this same claim in the video he was painted was a liar but here are the numbers, evidence.

 

[Frank Robert]

US hurricane landfalls

www.aoml.noaa.gov

Hurricans that made landfall US

1850-1890 180.
1900-1940. 185.
1950-2000 160.
2000-2022 86.


1850-1870. 94
1900- 1920 104
1950-1970 98
2000-2022 86

I don't know where you are getting your numbers from.
1900 to 1950 | 50 years

According to the National Hurricane Center, there were a total of 458 named storms, 273 hurricanes, and 109 major hurricanes (Category 3 or higher) in the Atlantic basin during the period from 1900 to 1950.​

2000 to 2022 | 22 years

According to the National Hurricane Center, there were a total of 504 named storms, 342 hurricanes, and 124 major hurricanes (Category 3 or higher) in the Atlantic basin during the period from 2000 to 2022​

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By any measure hurricanes making landfall in the US are down not up.

As you can see from above that there were many more hurricanes and major hurricanes in the 2000s than there were from 1900-1950.

Note more hurricanes before cars and electricity became a major deal.

There is no major weather threat increase from hurricanes cause by hamburger patties and cow gas.

It does not appear that you got your numbers are from the National Hurricane Center

BTW Tucker made this same claim in the video he was painted was a liar but here are the numbers, evidence.

I don't know if your hero lied in the video or not as I didn't watch it because what he reports is unreliable. I provided a link to where he admitted that he lies and that he can not help himself.

 

[sjastro]

US hurricane landfalls

www.aoml.noaa.gov

Hurricans that made landfall US

1850-1890 180.
1900-1940. 185.
1950-2000 160.
2000-2022 86.


1850-1870. 94
1900- 1920 104
1950-1970 98
2000-2022 86


By any measure hurricanes making landfall in the US are down not up.

Note more hurricanes before cars and electricity became a major deal.

There is no major weather threat increase from hurricanes cause by hamburger patties and cow gas.

BTW Tucker made this same claim in the video he was painted was a liar but here are the numbers, evidence.

OK lets play the devil's advocate and assume these figures are real.
It might exonerate Tucker as a liar but not as a moron for claiming this is evidence of a climate change scam.
Apparently Tucker doesn't understand the world extends beyond the hurricane affected regions of the US which gets back to my question which you have steadfastly avoided to answer.

The Torres Straits Islands is not an isolated case either.

So why don't you answer the question?

 

[Postvieww]

I don't know where you are getting your numbers from.

All you had to do is click on the link provided and you would know. All I get is where is the evidence and when provided you can’t even take the time to look at it???? Hint the initials are NOAA U.S. Hurricane Strikes by Decade

 

[Postvieww]

1900 to 1950 | 50 years
According to the National Hurricane Center, there were a total of 458 named storms, 273 hurricanes, and 109 major hurricanes (Category 3 or higher) in the Atlantic basin during the period from 1900 to 1950.2000 to 2022 | 22 years
According to the National Hurricane Center, there were a total of 504 named storms, 342 hurricanes, and 124 major hurricanes (Category 3 or higher) in the Atlantic basin during the period from 2000 to 2022

Well now let’s at least compare apples to apples. I was clear hurricanes that made US land fall and you come back with “ named storms “ and storms in the “Atlantic Basin “ . Why US storms? That would be because the context of the video was US politicians and US weathermen crying the sky is falling every time there is a storm in the US and telling us how much our lifestyles have increased hurricane activity when it is NOT true. Let me repeat myself for the umpteenth time I have never said there is no change in climate, what I have said is the climate on this planet has always been changing even without man’s help. The current sky is falling fear mongering has another agenda besides saving the planet. This thread has well established that character destruction is a perfectly acceptable way of promoting the cause. Yes many who do support this agenda exhibit traits found in many religions around the world. I have freely conceded there is change in the climate that is nothing new, what I am against is the political movement around it

 

[Postvieww]

OK lets play the devil's advocate and assume these figures are real.
It might exonerate Tucker as a liar but not as a moron for claiming this is evidence of a climate change scam.
Apparently Tucker doesn't understand the world extends beyond the hurricane affected regions of the US which gets back to my question which you have steadfastly avoided to answer.

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The Torres Straits Islands is not an isolated case either.

So why don't you answer the question?

I wonder if the people of Atlantis claimed man induced climate change before they went under? Again this planet is changing it has always been going through changes. The problem here the arrogance of man to think he can play God and spend his way out of what they believe is a man caused problem. The fact that the globalist push this should at least cause some to at least ask a few questions. Man will never destroy this planet that is a fact. You are free to disagree but the same science that tells me that I came from a monkey can be questioned here. Science is not God, science can be wrong as history has shown. I am never going to dissuade the cult of climate change and that cult will never convert me. The bottom line is that this is really about taking your freedoms. Now if you want to discuss how this all relates to a few elites controlling the planet we can do that.

 

[Bradskii]

You are free to disagree but the same science that tells me that I came from a monkey can be questioned here.

I'm afraid that this is an example of the level of scientific knowledge that you bring to this thread.

 

[Frank Robert]

All you had to do is click on the link provided and you would know. All I get is where is the evidence and when provided you can’t even take the time to look at it???? Hint the initials are NOAA U.S. Hurricane Strikes by Decade

There were many hurricanes that occurred between 1900 and 1940, but the exact number of hurricanes that formed during this period is not known. This is because reliable record-keeping and tracking of hurricanes only began in the 1950s with the advent of weather satellites and other advanced technologies.

 

[Bradskii]

Hurricans that made landfall US

1850-1890 180.
1900-1940. 185.
1950-2000 160.
2000-2022 86.

BTW Tucker made this same claim in the video he was painted was a liar but here are the numbers, evidence.

Carlson made the same claim as you did above? Then he was as mistaken as you were. Or he was lying. And as I assume that whoever did his figures were reasonably competent in reading a simple chart and he used the same one, then he was lying. As on a hurricane per year basis, this is what we get:

1890 - 1939: 1.4
1940 - 1999: 1.6
2000 - 2022: 1.8

Obviously an increase. So why are your figures wrong..? Because you added up the wrong column.

Which wasn't the number of hurricanes in that year. It was the strength of the hurricane noted for that year. So 1851 had 2 hurricanes. There are 2 rows for that year. But you counted 4, because the first was category 1 and the other second category 3.

How are we meant to take someone seriously if they cannot even interpret basic information? I'm expecting an admission from you that you were wrong and @Frank Robert was right.

Oh, and we didn't evolve from monkeys. That's about as basic a mistake as you can possibly make re evolution.

 

[Frank Robert]

Well now let’s at least compare apples to apples. I was clear hurricanes that made US land fall and you come back with “ named storms “ and storms in the “Atlantic Basin “ . Why US storms?

Because that is what NOAA is reporting. Check your own link.

That would be because the context of the video was US politicians and US weathermen crying the sky is falling every time there is a storm in the US and telling us how much our lifestyles have increased hurricane activity when it is NOT true. Let me repeat myself for the umpteenth time I have never said there is no change in climate, what I have said is the climate on this planet has always been changing even without man’s help. The current sky is falling fear mongering has another agenda besides saving the planet. This thread has well established that character destruction is a perfectly acceptable way of promoting the cause.

Climate deniers are comparing the legitimate concern over climate change to the "sky is falling." One example of denier "head in the sand"

Climate change is having a significant impact on the Antarctic region, which is experiencing some of the fastest and most significant changes in the world. The Antarctic is home to the largest ice sheet on Earth, which contains enough ice to raise global sea levels by over 50 meters if it were to melt completely.​

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The most visible impacts of climate change in the Antarctic are the melting of glaciers and the disintegration of ice shelves. Over the past few decades, many glaciers in the Antarctic have been retreating rapidly, and ice shelves, which act as barriers to the flow of glaciers into the ocean, have been thinning and breaking up.​

Yes many who do support this agenda exhibit traits found in many religions around the world. I have freely conceded there is change in the climate that is nothing new, what I am against is the political movement around it

Deniers are masters at false dichotomies. There will always be fringe fanatics but advocating reasonable precautions to prevent future disasters is not a fanatical religion. I am against the politics of climate denial that continues to spread misinformation and sow doubt. The impacts of climate change is already being felt around the world, including more frequent and intense heatwaves, droughts, floods, wildfires, and storms. Have we procrastinated too long? Time will tell.

 

[Postvieww]

I'm afraid that this is an example of the level of scientific knowledge that you bring to this thread.

What does your scientific knowledge tell you was the origin of man?

 

[Postvieww]

There will always be fringe fanatics but advocating reasonable precautions to prevent future disasters is not a fanatical religion.

What are those "reasonable precautions" the current crop of politicians are proposing?

 

[Bradskii]

What does your scientific knowledge tell you was the origin of man?

Forget evolution. Your knowledge of it is so lacking that anything I say will be a waste of my time. This is about climate change. So what we need from you is to now admit that the very information re hurricanes to which you linked shows exactly the opposite of what you claimed.

 

[Frank Robert]

What are those "reasonable precautions" the current crop of politicians are proposing?

Whatever politicians might propose, it is ultimately up to humans, especially those in the higher income countries, to cut back on their carbon footprint. Unfortunately, it is not happening and is not likely to happen voluntarily before the clock runs out.

 

[sjastro]

I wonder if the people of Atlantis claimed man induced climate change before they went under? Again this planet is changing it has always been going through changes. The problem here the arrogance of man to think he can play God and spend his way out of what they believe is a man caused problem. The fact that the globalist push this should at least cause some to at least ask a few questions. Man will never destroy this planet that is a fact. You are free to disagree but the same science that tells me that I came from a monkey can be questioned here. Science is not God, science can be wrong as history has shown. I am never going to dissuade the cult of climate change and that cult will never convert me. The bottom line is that this is really about taking your freedoms. Now if you want to discuss how this all relates to a few elites controlling the planet we can do that.

I have some devastating news for you, Atlantis was a story written by Plato c 360 BC and is part of Greek mythology.
It is informative you think this is an historical account as it indicates you have a problem in separating fact from fiction as shown in your posts by your reliance on conspiracy theories.

I have given you numerous opportunities to show how one of your conspiracy theories “how climate science is a scam” works when applied by the Torres Strait Islanders where the observed climate crisis of rising sea levels is a fake.
By repeatedly avoiding the question is an answer in itself as you know very well there is no climate science scam and rising sea levels is very real and slowly destroying the islander’s environment.

Your response also confirms my suspicion the motivating factor behind your “climate science is a scam” is a reaction to perceiving science as a threat to your faith.
It’s no coincidence COVID vaccinations and the wearing of masks is also given the same conspiratorial treatment as your default position is science is the enemy which must be opposed.
I hate to break the news to you but climate change action along with the development of vaccines and the wearing of masks are activities where science is used to make a safer world to live in including for yourself.

Despite your opposition to humans using their brains to try to understand how the world around them works or make it safer to live in, the mechanism of AGW is well understood and has a unique signature which differentiates it from all previous climate change events as described in this post.
Not only are the numerical predictions made by AGW models supported by temperature measurements despite the misinformation supplied by denier groups such as the CO2 coalition and republicans, we are now starting to see the physical effects of AGW in the Torres Strait and Solomon Islands and the increase in frequency and severity of weather conditions involving droughts, floods, extreme temperatures and of course hurricanes.

 

[Postvieww]

Fact-check: Does climate change affect hurricanes? This article does not totally discount the effects of climate change on hurricanes but it does show the science is not as settled as some claim . From the article:

“Are hurricanes getting worse lately?​

Yes and no.

Global hurricane counts and accumulated cyclone energy have significantly decreased since 1990, according to a 2022 paper in the journal Geophysical Research Letters. But short-lived named storms and extreme rapid intensification events have increased.

Hurricane damage has increased, too, the 2022 paper stated. Part of the reason, Klotzbach said, is that there are "more people and property in harm's way," noting that Fort Myers, in southwest Florida, has had considerable population increases over the years. “

 

[Postvieww]

It’s no coincidence COVID vaccinations and the wearing of masks is also given the same conspiratorial treatment as your default position is science is the enemy which must be opposed.
I hate to break the news to you but climate change action along with the development of vaccines and the wearing of masks are activities where science is used to make a safer world to live in including for yourself.

Your self proclaimed expertise is not as impressive as you imagine. Vaccines and masks as related to covid have as many or maybe even more scientific disagreements than even climate change. I'll give just one example which I am fully aware is not a scientific study but it is a fact from personal experience. I have immediate family who had four members fully vaccinated, and faithfully wore masks and all four have had covid 3 times as opposed to myself who will never take the scarcely tested vaccine, I have yet to have it. No I am not saying covid does not exist. I had a 22 year old acquaintance who passed away from it. All I am saying is all science is not in agreement on covid or climate change.