Were the Nephilim to blame? Were they evil?

[Dreamdweller]

I am confused a great deal about this because it has rarely been talked about in the 47 years I've attended church. It is in Genesis 6 where the title is The corruption of mankind. This is the only part of the Bible that I know of where it speaks about the Nephilim (children fathered by an angel); for reference I'm using NASB version of the Bible (Genesis 6:1-7).

To summarize, it says that the sons of God found the daughters of men beautiful. In verse 4 it says, The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This is where my questions come in to play. My first question is this:

1. Were the Nephilim evil?

The only thing I can find that speaks of their character, is in the verse above where it says they were "men of renown." It says they were also mighty. But nowhere can I find anything that says they were evil. Neither "might" or "renown" seems to make reference to evil in these verses. If they were evil, were they born that way? It wouldn't be the child's fault that their father was an angel. My next question is 2 parts:

2. Did God view the Nephilim different from other humans? Were they born evil?

From what I can gather, the Nephilim still had a human soul. While they were mighty and renown...the Bible gives no reference to them having angelic powers or abilities. Did God give them the same chances to repent of their sins as He did with regular humans? If they were still human, I would have to say yes.

However, it was only after the Nephilim were born that God says in verse 5, Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. So the Lord was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

I know that God is just and His judgement is true. I found 2 references stating that the angels who fathered them were the ones that fell with Lucifer. I might be wrong in my interpretation, and I hate thinking it, but this makes me think that the Nephilim were evil. I hate that thought because it wouldn't have been the child's fault to be born from a fallen angel.

So in the end, I am curious to know how did God judge them when they died? Did He view them differently than regular humans? Were they born evil?

 

[timothyu]

Great civilizations fail and all including where ours is heading, for the same reasons. Think of it in their day as a few mad cows getting into the herd. The whole herd must be destroyed. Precautions have been taken for this present civilization but self interest the original sin, still abounds. It is just not as noticeable as it doesn't stand out in a different form than our own. Today we blame invisible presences rather than ourselves where blame belongs.

 

[d taylor]

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The nephilim were the offspring of fallen angels and human women. A plot devised by satan, to keep The Messiah form coming into the world.

 

[timothyu]

It's a shame so much of the time between the Garden and Noah was left out of official scripture. It's as if to erase Adam and Eve and substitute Noah and clan as the origins of our mankind.

 

[Ligurian]

Great civilizations fail and all including where ours is heading, for the same reasons. Think of it in their day as a few mad cows getting into the herd. The whole herd must be destroyed. Precautions have been taken for this present civilization but self interest the original sin, still abounds. It is just not as noticeable as it doesn't stand out in a different form than our own. Today we blame invisible presences rather than ourselves where blame belongs.

whew... good thing we're not all herd-animals, then.

 

[angelsaroundme]

The Book of Enoch relates that the fallen angels were teaching humans the art of war, sorcery, etc. There is a similar narrative in Islam (see Harut and Marut) presumably inspired by the Jewish account.

This suggests the belief was likely widespread at some point. Now, that doesn't mean it's necessarily true. However, it would help explain why the state of the world was so dire at that time.

 

[timothyu]

whew... good thing we're not all herd-animals, then.

That would be debatable come elections, cable news or pandemics.

 

[timothyu]

This suggests the belief was likely widespread at some point. Now, that doesn't mean it's necessarily true. However, it would help explain why the state of the world was so dire at that time.

Perhaps it was like then where we are headed now, a state of unity against the will of God, which is also the reason God scattered the people at Babel. We are what we are.

 

[Sheila Davis]

I am confused a great deal about this because it has rarely been talked about in the 47 years I've attended church. It is in Genesis 6 where the title is The corruption of mankind. This is the only part of the Bible that I know of where it speaks about the Nephilim (children fathered by an angel); for reference I'm using NASB version of the Bible (Genesis 6:1-7).

To summarize, it says that the sons of God found the daughters of men beautiful. In verse 4 it says, The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This is where my questions come in to play. My first question is this:

1. Were the Nephilim evil?

The only thing I can find that speaks of their character, is in the verse above where it says they were "men of renown." It says they were also mighty. But nowhere can I find anything that says they were evil. Neither "might" or "renown" seems to make reference to evil in these verses. If they were evil, were they born that way? It wouldn't be the child's fault that their father was an angel.

The book of Enoch goes into more detail about the offspring of The Watchers. And according to what is written they wrecked havoc upon the land and mankind. At one point The book of Enoch was apart the Canons of the Bible but at some point they decided to take it out.




My next question is 2 parts:

2. Did God view the Nephilim different from other humans? Were they born evil?

From what I can gather, the Nephilim still had a human soul. While they were mighty and renown...the Bible gives no reference to them having angelic powers or abilities. Did God give them the same chances to repent of their sins as He did with regular humans? If they were still human, I would have to say yes.

My belief is yes - God sees them differently
Daniel 2: 40-44 "it says they shall mingle with the seed of man" and it is speaking of the iron mixed with the miry clay, of a certain, kingdom that comes upon the Earth and after the destruction of that kingdom God sets up his - so it is speaking of the last days. As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man - meaning it is going to happen again - the angels will mix their DNA with mankind again - the angels are the iron, man is the clay. Then God is going to destroy them.
Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 2 - King James Version


However, it was only after the Nephilim were born that God says in verse 5, Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. So the Lord was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

I know that God is just and His judgement is true. I found 2 references stating that the angels who fathered them were the ones that fell with Lucifer. I might be wrong in my interpretation, and I hate thinking it, but this makes me think that the Nephilim were evil. I hate that thought because it wouldn't have been the child's fault to be born from a fallen angel.

My belief is the angels that are written of in Jude verse 6 are the ones who left their estate ( heaven) are the ones who fathered those written of in chapter 6 of Genesis and are referred to as the Watchers. The difference is Lucifer and the angels with him were CASTED out of heaven the angels in Jude 6 departed from heaven on their own.
The Watchers are also written of, even names given of the leaders in The book of Enoch.
They are referred to by title of Watcher in scripture once or twice in the book of Daniel.

Watchers in the Bible


So in the end, I am curious to know how did God judge them when they died? Did He view them differently than regular humans? Were they born evil?

Unknown how God judged the offspring of the Angelic Watchers or even if he has judged him. Just as he has the Angels locked in chains of darkness until judgment day they too maybe held somewhere until judgment.

 

[Ligurian]

I am confused a great deal about this because it has rarely been talked about in the 47 years I've attended church. It is in Genesis 6 where the title is The corruption of mankind. This is the only part of the Bible that I know of where it speaks about the Nephilim (children fathered by an angel); for reference I'm using NASB version of the Bible (Genesis 6:1-7).

To summarize, it says that the sons of God found the daughters of men beautiful. In verse 4 it says, The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This is where my questions come in to play. My first question is this:

1. Were the Nephilim evil?

The only thing I can find that speaks of their character, is in the verse above where it says they were "men of renown." It says they were also mighty. But nowhere can I find anything that says they were evil. Neither "might" or "renown" seems to make reference to evil in these verses. If they were evil, were they born that way? It wouldn't be the child's fault that their father was an angel. My next question is 2 parts:

2. Did God view the Nephilim different from other humans? Were they born evil?

From what I can gather, the Nephilim still had a human soul. While they were mighty and renown...the Bible gives no reference to them having angelic powers or abilities. Did God give them the same chances to repent of their sins as He did with regular humans? If they were still human, I would have to say yes.

However, it was only after the Nephilim were born that God says in verse 5, Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. So the Lord was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

I know that God is just and His judgement is true. I found 2 references stating that the angels who fathered them were the ones that fell with Lucifer. I might be wrong in my interpretation, and I hate thinking it, but this makes me think that the Nephilim were evil. I hate that thought because it wouldn't have been the child's fault to be born from a fallen angel.

So in the end, I am curious to know how did God judge them when they died? Did He view them differently than regular humans? Were they born evil?

Since the Philistines were called giants, what if the Nephilim are the Nephthalim of the Septuagint? (There were no spelling conventions, back in the day... -h- was often just a breath... and letter-changes happen.)

Genesis 10:13-14 And Mesrain begot the Ludiim, and the Nephthalim, and the Enemetiim, and the Labiim, and the Patrosoniim, and the Chasmoniim (whence came forth Phylistiim) and the Gaphthoriim.LXX
Genesis 10 - LXX Bible - Bible Study Tools

This might make Egypt the parent of the Nephthalim. If you look at the pictures of the Ancient Egyptians and the pictures of the Priest-king of Crete... same racial type... tall, very slim, black-haired... like the bull-fighters of early Spain.

That begat thing didn't always mean genetically. The Amorites were big blue-eyed red-heads with Nordic faces who spoke a Semitic language in Canaan... but the Hittites were sturdy dark-haired people... both are said to be Canaan's children, but they looked very different and spoke different languages.

 

[timothyu]

Unknown how God judged the offspring of the Angelic Watchers or even if he has judged him. Just as he has the Angels locked in chains of darkness until judgment day they too maybe held somewhere until judgment.

Consider that they being a hybrid of mortal and immortal, that they may not have slept upon the death of their flesh but became legion, for they were many.

 

[Ligurian]

That would be debatable come elections, cable news or pandemics.

Not ALL of us are herd animals. Some don't vote, watch the news, or line up to become test-subjects.

 

[timothyu]

Not ALL of us are herd animals. Some don't vote, watch the news, or line up to become test-subjects.

Agree and we are seen as the mad cows. However society does not eliminate itself over a few mad cows. It culls them. God doesn't eliminate the herd either because these mad cows are not the threat to mankind.

 

[Ligurian]

Consider that they being a hybrid of mortal and immortal, that they may not have slept upon the death of their flesh but became legion, for they were many.

Matthew 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places seeking rest and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out, and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

 

[Ligurian]

Agree and we are seen as the mad cows. However society does not eliminate itself over a few mad cows. It culls them. God doesn't eliminate the herd either because these mad cows are not the threat to mankind.

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another, because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

 

[Sorn]

Not ALL of us are herd animals. Some don't vote, watch the news, or line up to become test-subjects.

But thats what every one else does these day, so you are a herd animal after all!!

 

[SkyWriting]

I am confused a great deal about this because it has rarely been talked about..

There are very few sources to talk about.

 

[timothyu]

There are very few sources to talk about.

Might give credence to the legend of Atlantis being pre-flood.

 

[Ligurian]

But thats what every one else does these day, so you are a herd animal after all!!

"Everyone else" is a pretty broad statement, given the number of people who talk about getting vaccinated, and then try to peer-pressure other people into following. This forum is the only place I ever hear what's going on in the world... and then it's only because I happen to notice some new thread being posted... and maybe I'm just a little bored at the time.

 

[Sorn]

"Everyone else" is a pretty broad statement, given the number of people who talk about getting vaccinated, and then try to peer-pressure other people into following. This forum is the only place I ever hear what's going on in the world... and then it's only because I happen to notice some new thread being posted... and maybe I'm just a little bored at the time.

I was just messing with his head