Were the Nephilim to blame? Were they evil?

[timothyu]

Yeah, it gives extraordinarily detailed descriptions of the workings of the "Heavenly Luminaries" as well, and all of it the worst kind of rubbish. I have little regard for "the book of Enoch".

So there were media pundits writing the narrative even back then?

 

[Jipsah]

Even if we hack into our own brains and steal data intended for the Great Server?

Like the recipe for the Cosmic Muffin?

 

[Jipsah]

So there were media pundits writing the narrative even back then?

Couldn't say, but whoever wrote Enoch certainly created the Science Fiction genre.

 

[RickReads]

Yeah, it gives extraordinarily detailed descriptions of the workings of the "Heavenly Luminaries" as well, and all of it the worst kind of rubbish. I have little regard for "the book of Enoch".

Fictional details, if the descriptions of the movements of celestial bodies like the sun and moon are any example.

The same may be said for the Koran.

Speaking of rubbish, I've read your remarks from time to time and I'm not sure I've seen anything from you that contributes to the dialogue on this board. It's always snarky criticism from you.

I don't read fiction, the book of Enoch is a possible exception. No need to read it if it doesn't appeal. There is no reason to criticize somebody for having a look at it given all the garbage that is read out there.

Reading the book of Enoch is more productive than reading anything you got to say IMO. It`s one of the oldest books in the world.
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[Sorn]

Even if we hack into our own brains and steal data intended for the Great Server?

Care to elaborate on what you mean by this 'Great Server' idea?

 

[timothyu]

Care to elaborate on what you mean by this 'Great Server' idea?

What we do on the outside is meant for each other. What we think and feel inside is for God and will be stored for a time when we can hide no more.

 

[Sorn]

What we do on the outside is meant for each other. What we think and feel inside is for God and will be stored for a time when we can hide no more.

I see, and if we could hack into this 'Great Server' and access the info what could we do with it that would upset God so much??
Are the prohibitions in the bible about not reading others minds should we develop the capacity?

 

[Skye1300]

Mention has been made that our dna was being messed with cross breeding with those others or something like that, which resulted in God's anger at the tampering with His work. Patent infringement. What will He think of the current plan to incorporate digital and human to create new super human beings?

"Many of these innovations are in their infancy, but they are already reaching an inflection point in their development as they build on and amplify each other in a fusion of technologies across the physical, digital and biological worlds”

“These technologies will operate within our own biology and change how we interface with the world. They are capable of crossing the boundaries of body and mind, enhancing our physical abilities, and even having a lasting impact on life itself “.

* “active implantable microchips that break the skin barrier of our bodies”, “smart tattoos”, “biological computing” and “custom-designed organisms”

* “sensors, memory switches and circuits can be encoded in common human gut bacteria”, “Smart Dust, arrays of full computers with antennas, each much smaller than a grain of sand, can now organize themselves inside the body”, “implanted devices will likely also help to communicate thoughts normally expressed verbally through a ‘built-in’ smartphone, and potentially unexpressed thoughts or moods by reading brain waves and other signals”

* “Synthetic biology” “the ability to customize organisms by writing DNA”

... Klaus Schwab ~ WEF

Wowza! I knew smart dust existed but had no idea they were working on something like that! Lord help us! If that's not the mark of the beast, nothing is!

 

[Skye1300]

Digital enhancements won't affect the DNA that is passed onto the next generation so i'd say He'd have no issue with it.

But what if the smart dust is able to implant itself into the woman's eggs or the man's sperm or both? Then it's there at conception which is almost the same as passing it along genetically. They already are making designer babies, I can see them wanting to use microscopic computers to manipulate the egg and sperm before conception to weed out diseases or make a certain hair or eye color. Then have the computers remain in the child. They could program a tiny computer to replicate all vaccines in unborn baby's body so the kids no longer have to be vaccinated.

 

[Skye1300]

I see, and if we could hack into this 'Great Server' and access the info what could we do with it that would upset God so much??
Are the prohibitions in the bible about not reading others minds should we develop the capacity?

Reading people's mind will inevitably lead to mind control.

 

[Sorn]

Reading people's mind will inevitably lead to mind control.

So? not good but no worse than anything else that can and does happen now.
China's social credit system is almost that, who cares what you think as long as you act according to the rulers wishes.

 

[Sorn]

But what if the smart dust is able to implant itself into the woman's eggs or the man's sperm or both? Then it's there at conception which is almost the same as passing it along genetically. They already are making designer babies, I can see them wanting to use microscopic computers to manipulate the egg and sperm before conception to weed out diseases or make a certain hair or eye color. Then have the computers remain in the child. They could program a tiny computer to replicate all vaccines in unborn baby's body so the kids no longer have to be vaccinated.

It would be much easier to inject a baby after birth with such a wonder substance if its ever developed, no need to go to the lengths of incorporating it into sperm & eggs. Would cost a fortune to develop & pass testing.

 

[Skye1300]

So? not good but no worse than anything else that can and does happen now.
China's social credit system is almost that, who cares what you think as long as you act according to the rulers wishes.

What if they control your mind to make you hate or reject God?

 

[Sorn]

What if they control your mind to make you hate or reject God?

That could be bad but the bible does not indicate that will happen, everyone still gets to pick by their own free will. Also, knowing someones thought and being able to make them think something are 2 completely different things in level of difficulty

 

[timothyu]

I see, and if we could hack into this 'Great Server' and access the info what could we do with it that would upset God so much??

Creating a new hybrid being would be the equivalent of the angel human hybrid which didn't go over well with God. He didn't like anyone tampering with us His hybrid of flesh/spirit. Especially in this case of bringing us further into the world and further from the Kingdom, where even our free will is tampered with, no doubt removing any choice of between the two. There was a time man could kill only the flesh.

 

[Sorn]

Creating a new hybrid being would be the equivalent of the angel human hybrid which didn't go over well with God. He didn't like anyone tampering with us His hybrid of flesh/spirit. Especially in this case of bringing us further into the world and further from the Kingdom, where even our free will is tampered with, no doubt removing any choice of between the two. There was a time man could kill only the flesh.

Well, assuming we ever know ho our brains work and how free will arises to the point that such exercise of free will might be impaired or controlled, then yes, I guess God may well object to that strongly.
However as i think we have a soul and that plays a pert in our free will, i don't think our technology will ever be able to reach the soul per se.

The bible makes it clear anyway that the taking of the mark of beast is a choice made by free will (maybe under duress at times) but people always will have the choice to take it or not, even if it means their death.

 

[timothyu]

The bible makes it clear anyway that the taking of the mark of beast is a choice made by free will (maybe under duress at times) but people always will have the choice to take it or not, even if it means their death

True. Like choosing smart phones , our dongle brains

 

[Skye1300]

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This is craziness.

 

[DamianWarS]

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The nephilim were the offspring of fallen angels and human women. A plot devised by satan, to keep The Messiah form coming into the world.

source?

 

[DamianWarS]

I am confused a great deal about this because it has rarely been talked about in the 47 years I've attended church. It is in Genesis 6 where the title is The corruption of mankind. This is the only part of the Bible that I know of where it speaks about the Nephilim (children fathered by an angel); for reference I'm using NASB version of the Bible (Genesis 6:1-7).

To summarize, it says that the sons of God found the daughters of men beautiful. In verse 4 it says, The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This is where my questions come in to play. My first question is this:

1. Were the Nephilim evil?

The only thing I can find that speaks of their character, is in the verse above where it says they were "men of renown." It says they were also mighty. But nowhere can I find anything that says they were evil. Neither "might" or "renown" seems to make reference to evil in these verses. If they were evil, were they born that way? It wouldn't be the child's fault that their father was an angel. My next question is 2 parts:

2. Did God view the Nephilim different from other humans? Were they born evil?

From what I can gather, the Nephilim still had a human soul. While they were mighty and renown...the Bible gives no reference to them having angelic powers or abilities. Did God give them the same chances to repent of their sins as He did with regular humans? If they were still human, I would have to say yes.

However, it was only after the Nephilim were born that God says in verse 5, Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. So the Lord was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

I know that God is just and His judgement is true. I found 2 references stating that the angels who fathered them were the ones that fell with Lucifer. I might be wrong in my interpretation, and I hate thinking it, but this makes me think that the Nephilim were evil. I hate that thought because it wouldn't have been the child's fault to be born from a fallen angel.

So in the end, I am curious to know how did God judge them when they died? Did He view them differently than regular humans? Were they born evil?

Assuming a litteral vaccum I'm not sure how they would have been judged but what is interesting in the account is that it tells us that humans and angels are compatible which hints that we are the same species since only the same species can interbreed.