Weep Over Jerusalem?

[guuila]

"For if we sin willfully after we have received the kowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin."

I must therefore conclude that I sin from weakness or else I cannot be saved. Christ's intercession as our high priest speaks to our weaknesses.

You're misusing this verse. This is talking about persisting in unbelief, not just sinning as a believer. Otherwise, I can guarantee you we are all lost.

 

[Arcoe]

Jesus said that it was created for the devil "and his messengers."

The word "angelos" primarily means "messenger" whether spirit beings or human beings.

Then the devil's angels are those who do not perform good works. With this in mind, do you still believe in monergism? It is through synergism, or good works, the sheep are blessed of the Father and inherit the kingdom in Matthew 25.

The goats are those who are cursed and are given to everlasting fire on account of monergism, or lack of any good works on their part. As I have said before, man is judged upon his works, not his beliefs.

So, if anything, hell was created for the devil and those who do not perform good works, or for those who continue in evil works.

Jesus also confirms this in John 5:29,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Hammster]

His old nature which resides in the body , even though elsewhere Paul says we , all believers have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires .... At least our identity in Christ teaches this even if the fact remains we need to demonstrate it , ie , by mortification.....

And what is the difference between our old nature and the nature of the unregenerate?

 

[Arcoe]

And what is the difference between our old nature and the nature of the unregenerate?

NADA! The difference is the believer removes the sins from himself, while the unregenerate remains in his sins.

Hopefully you will see why the Bible is so emphatic with casting away our transgressions, fleeing sin, laying aside the old man, and abstaining from wickedness. With sin remaining in the heart, there is no difference in any man, even though he may confess to have a new heart.

 

[cygnusx1]

And what is the difference between our old nature and the nature of the unregenerate?

Only that it has been crucified .... Can a Christian murder ?

 

[Hammster]

Only that it has been crucified .... Can a Christian murder ?

Yes.

 

[cygnusx1]

Yes.

I agree , but you know. That text in 1 John ?

1 John 3:15

New International Version (©2011)
Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

 

[guuila]

Then the devil's angels are those who do not perform good works. With this in mind, do you still believe in monergism? It is through synergism, or good works, the sheep are blessed of the Father and inherit the kingdom in Matthew 25.

The goats are those who are cursed and are given to everlasting fire on account of monergism, or lack of any good works on their part. As I have said before, man is judged upon his works, not his beliefs.

So, if anything, hell was created for the devil and those who do not perform good works, or for those who continue in evil works.

Jesus also confirms this in John 5:29,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Yep. Good works are evidence of saving faith. Not sure why you're still beating this drum. Nobody here denies the necessity of good works. We just deny that we're justified by works. We're justified by faith, and that faith will result in good works because that faith comes forth out of a regenerate soul. No good works = no saving faith = no regeneration took place.

 

[guuila]

NADA! The difference is the believer removes the sins from himself, while the unregenerate remains in his sins.

Hopefully you will see why the Bible is so emphatic with casting away our transgressions, fleeing sin, laying aside the old man, and abstaining from wickedness. With sin remaining in the heart, there is no difference in any man, even though he may confess to have a new heart.

Who here denies the necessity of good works? Why do you constantly talk about this?

 

[Jack Terrence]

I don't think yanking a verse out of context from Hebrews is the best way to prove your point.

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Not fair! I have provided Paul's own statements about his own experience with sin. I have also provided Galatians. The scripture from Hebrews was a support scripture.

For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Paul said that he delighted in the law of God according his inward man. But he saw another law in his members warring against the law of his mind and bringing him into captivity to the law of sin in his members.

 

[guuila]

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Not fair! I have provided Paul's own statements about his own experience with sin. I have also provided Galatians. The scripture from Hebrews was a support scripture.

For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Paul said that he delighted in the law of God according his inward man. But he saw another law in his members warring against the law of his mind and bringing him into captivity to the law of sin in his members.

The verse in Hebrews doesn't support what you're talking about. It's an entirely different context and topic altogether.

 

[Jack Terrence]

The verse in Hebrews doesn't support what you're talking about. It's an entirely different context and topic altogether.

Would you please explain?

 

[Arcoe]

Who here denies the necessity of good works? Why do you constantly talk about this?

Have I not heard you say, you are a monergist? Are you a pure monergist, or do you mix in synergism?

 

[Arcoe]

Yep. Good works are evidence of saving faith. Not sure why you're still beating this drum. Nobody here denies the necessity of good works. We just deny that we're justified by works. We're justified by faith, and that faith will result in good works because that faith comes forth out of a regenerate soul. No good works = no saving faith = no regeneration took place.

By your equation above, you equate good works with regeneration. I still can't see why you deny synergism.

 

[Arcoe]

I agree , but you know. That text in 1 John ?

1 John 3:15

New International Version (©2011)
Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

Kind of puts a new twist on the elect who hate, don't you think?

 

[Jack Terrence]

Then the devil's angels are those who do not perform good works. With this in mind, do you still believe in monergism? It is through synergism, or good works, the sheep are blessed of the Father and inherit the kingdom in Matthew 25.

The goats are those who are cursed and are given to everlasting fire on account of monergism, or lack of any good works on their part. As I have said before, man is judged upon his works, not his beliefs.

So, if anything, hell was created for the devil and those who do not perform good works, or for those who continue in evil works.

Jesus also confirms this in John 5:29,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

It sounds like you may be saying what I am saying but without having to appear as if you are saying what I am saying.

The place of tormment was prepared for the devil and his messengers whether those messengers be spirit beings or human beings.

Satan's messengers (humans) come as messengers of light. Perdition was created for them.

 

[Hammster]

Have I not heard you say, you are a monergist? Are you a pure monergist, or do you mix in synergism?

Do you even know what the argument is between monergism and synergism?

 

[Hammster]

By your equation above, you equate good works with regeneration. I still can't see why you deny synergism.

Did you see the part where he said that faith comes out if a regenerated soul?

 

[Jack Terrence]

Btw Paul doesn't simply say "I yet not I " , he says but sin which dwelt in me ..... So he isn't saying I did it but I didn't do it unwillingly .... He sticks the blame on sin rather than on his will !

Amen brother! Well said!

 

[cygnusx1]

Kind of puts a new twist on the elect who hate, don't you think?

It puts at least half a dozen questions forward , how may a Christian murder still be a Christian ? and how is a Christian without eternal life ?

There are answers but it takes some untangling ............