We are not to hurt anyone for any reason.

[Zecryphon]

So I’m not usual. What you should know is that as long I can keep this thread going there will be more and more people reading what I have to share. There may be a few that read this who will wonder if they might be wrong. Hopefully then will go to Jesus and ask.

"So I’m not usual."

This is most certainly true.

"What you should know is that as long I can keep this thread going there will be more and more people reading what I have to share."

You say that like it's a good thing.

"There may be a few that read this who will wonder if they might be wrong. Hopefully then will go to Jesus and ask."

So you're saying that those who disagree with you and think you are wrong have not gone to Jesus? That's pretty presumptuous and arrogant.

 

[sawdust]

Why don’t you try to show me where Christians before Constantine served in an armed force of any government? If you believe you are so right show me the scripture that refute Jesus Word.

Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 1Cor.7:20

Unless you consider there was never a soldier that converted to Christ, I think it safe to say Christians served in the armed forces before Constantine.

peace

 

[GenemZ]

Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 1Cor.7:20

Unless you consider there was never a soldier that converted to Christ, I think it safe to say Christians served in the armed forces before Constantine.

peace

Here's one good example...

http://bibleprobe.com/theban.html

Small sampling of page:

"In the year of Christ 286, a most remarkable affair occurred; a legion of soldiers, consisting of six thousand six hundred and sixty-six men, contained none but Christians. This legion was called the Theban Legion, because the men were Egyptian Christian Copts who had been recruited from and stationed in Thebias in Upper Egypt. The Theban Legion were quartered in the east until the emperor Maximian ordered them to march to Gaul, to assist him against the rebels of Burgundy. It was the custom of the Romans to move troops from extreme parts of the empire to avoid the problem of Roman-trained soldiers participating in uprisings to free their native lands." ​

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Know when Constantine reigned? 306 to 337AD.

The Theban Legion was martyred? In 286AD.

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Please, read that link in full. Those brave soldiers were martyred for Christ because they placed their worship in Christ above the Roman practice of Caesar worship.​

Grace and peace, GeneZ​

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Well you say the Christian’s you know love. How many do you know have more than they need to live on, in the bank?

(1 John 3:17) “If a man who was rich enough in this world’s goods saw that one of his brothers was in need, but closed his heart to him, how could the love of God be living in him?”

(1 John 3: 3 - 9) “Surely everyone who entertains this hope must purify himself, must try to be as pure as Christ. Any one who sins at all breaks the law, because to sin is to break the law. Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him. My children do not let anyone lead you astray; to live a holy life is to be holy just as He is holy; to lead a sinful life is to belong to the Devil, since the Devil was a sinner from the beginning. It was to undo all that the Devil has done that the Son of God appeared. No one who has been begotten by God sins: because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”
We know that anyone who has been begotten by God does not sin, because the begotten Son of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.”

Don't know, I don't delve into their methods of income. That's a personal issue that I really don't care about or care to know about. God puts us in places for different reasons, and sometimes we put ourselves in them. Explain to me how protecting someone out of love for them is a sin against God, it is a portrayal of love, is it not? I'm not speaking of retaliating against someone in anger, from hatred, or any other reason besides protecting/defending someone you love.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

So I’m not usual. What you should know is that as long I can keep this thread going there will be more and more people reading what I have to share. There may be a few that read this who will wonder if they might be wrong. Hopefully then will go to Jesus and ask.

Hopefully plenty of people read it and see how ridiculous it all is. And to answer your question about Christians pre-constantine serving in the military. What about the centurion of great faith? Do you think He followed Christ? Did he lay his arms down because of that?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

This thread already contains enough absolute truth to put an end to this debate. Its ended. The only thing that perpetuates posting here is denial of the truth. And, a denial of the other side of not being able to accept that some people desire and love to be deceived. For, it gains them the attention they desire and crave. They need to feel special.


Leave it at that.



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You are correct. And add to that all the question dodging and repetition. They say you can lead a horse to water.....

oh, and this just popped in my head
Ecclesiastes1
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
"Look! This is something new"?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.

 

[ToxicReboMan]

If Jesus does not condone self-defense then he would have told Peter to throw away his sword when confronted by the Sanhedrin. Instead, Jesus told Peter to SHEATH his sword so that Jesus could lay down his own life to fulfill his heavenly Father's will. It was not the time for a fight...besides it would have been suicide anyway for the disciples as well.

Just my imperfect opinion. God Bless and Peace be with you all.

 

[GenemZ]

If Jesus does not condone self-defense then he would have told Peter to throw away his sword when confronted by the Sanhedrin. Instead, Jesus told Peter to SHEATH his sword so that Jesus could lay down his own life to fulfill his heavenly Father's will. It was not the time for a fight...besides it would have been suicide anyway for the disciples as well.

Just my imperfect opinion. God Bless and Peace be with you all.

That is correct. He told Peter to keep the sword.

 

[Giver]

Hopefully plenty of people read it and see how ridiculous it all is. And to answer your question about Christians pre-constantine serving in the military. What about the centurion of great faith? Do you think He followed Christ? Did he lay his arms down because of that?

He had great faith, and hopefully after Jesus ascended into heaven he was baptized and was filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit would have taught him that killing was wrong for a man of God.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

He had great faith, and hopefully after Jesus ascended into heaven he was baptized and was filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit would have taught him that killing was wrong for a man of God.

Good thing defending the innocent is not killing, then. I'm not advocating vigilante-style retribution, because in fact that is God's domain. I'm speaking of saving someone from immediate danger, by neutralizing an imminent threat. If someone was in a burning building and you could save them, would you? If someone was lying on the road badly injured from a hit and run, would you help them? If someone was sleeping on the railroad tracks and you noticed them there, would you get them off the track? I'd like an actual answer this time, it'd be a nice change.

 

[Giver]

Good thing defending the innocent is not killing, then. I'm not advocating vigilante-style retribution, because in fact that is God's domain. I'm speaking of saving someone from immediate danger, by neutralizing an imminent threat. If someone was in a burning building and you could save them, would you? If someone was lying on the road badly injured from a hit and run, would you help them? If someone was sleeping on the railroad tracks and you noticed them there, would you get them off the track? I'd like an actual answer this time, it'd be a nice change.

This thread is about harming people. Help people all you can, as long as we don’t have to hurt anyone to do so.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

This thread is about harming people. Help people all you can, as long as we don’t have to hurt anyone to do so.

so if someone is attempting to kill 100 people, and you had the chance to stop him, you wouldn't? Not even pin the guy to the ground until the authorities come? Because you know he could possibly get a bruise when he's struggling to break free and kill you and the other 100 people.

 

[Giver]

so if someone is attempting to kill 100 people, and you had the chance to stop him, you wouldn't? Not even pin the guy to the ground until the authorities come? Because you know he could possibly get a bruise when he's struggling to break free and kill you and the other 100 people.

(1 Corinthians 10:13) “You can trust God not to let you be tried beyond your strength, and with any trial he will give you a way out of it and the strength to bear it.”

You go ahead and create hypothetical situations, which seem to be impossible to live without disobeying God. God promised us he would not put us in such situations.

 

[Zecryphon]

(1 Corinthians 10:13) “You can trust God not to let you be tried beyond your strength, and with any trial he will give you a way out of it and the strength to bear it.”

You go ahead and create hypothetical situations, which seem to be impossible to live without disobeying God. God promised us he would not put us in such situations.

And I believe God gave me the means to own a Glock 23 that will get me out of many trials.

 

[mooduck1]

(1 Corinthians 10:13) “You can trust God not to let you be tried beyond your strength, and with any trial he will give you a way out of it and the strength to bear it.”

You go ahead and create hypothetical situations, which seem to be impossible to live without disobeying God. God promised us he would not put us in such situations.

Are you now saying that "true believers" don't get raped murdered or mugged??? Your "Interpretation" of the verse you quoted contradicts the verse it tries to interpret. "Boyond your own strength implies ACTION not pacificity. I means that God will HELP us not DO for us.

 

[Giver]

Are you now saying that "true believers" don't get raped murdered or mugged??? Your "Interpretation" of the verse you quoted contradicts the verse it tries to interpret. "Boyond your own strength implies ACTION not pacificity. I means that God will HELP us not DO for us.

That verse had nothing to do with God not allowing someone to be killed or raped. It was in response to a hypothetical situation, which would tempt someone to disobey God. How you twisted that post around to say what you described is beyond me.

 

[Zecryphon]

That verse had nothing to do with God not allowing someone to be killed or raped. It was in response to a hypothetical situation, which would tempt someone to disobey God. How you twisted that post around to say what you described is beyond me.

Okay, Giver, what does the verse have to do with, if it's not about God allowing His people to be tested? The verse says God will not let you be tested beyond what you can bear. It does not say you will never be tested or experience trials. It also says God will give you a way out. Perhaps God's way out is another believer with a gun or some other weapon who will defend God's people against the evil in this world. Granted that believer won't ever be you, but perhaps God has another purpose for you to fulfill for the body. I can't for the life of me figure out what it is though. LOL

 

[Giver]

Okay, Giver, what does the verse have to do with, if it's not about God allowing His people to be tested? The verse says God will not let you be tested beyond what you can bear. It does not say you will never be tested or experience trials. It also says God will give you a way out. Perhaps God's way out is another believer with a gun or some other weapon who will defend God's people against the evil in this world. Granted that believer won't ever be you, but perhaps God has another purpose for you to fulfill for the body. I can't for the life of me figure out what it is though. LOL

You can’t really believe God’s way out would be for him to have one of his people disobey him. Remember when Paul was in trouble and the Jews wanted to kill him? God didn’t have a group of Christians come to his rescue. No, he sent people of the world to get him away from some of the people of the world.

 

[mooduck1]

That verse had nothing to do with God not allowing someone to be killed or raped. It was in response to a hypothetical situation, which would tempt someone to disobey God. How you twisted that post around to say what you described is beyond me.

Here's how I came to my conclusion that God would not put us in situations where responding with Violence might solve the problem:
"God promised us he would not put us in such situations. " - Giver

 

[Zecryphon]

You can’t really believe God’s way out would be for him to have one of his people disobey him. Remember when Paul was in trouble and the Jews wanted to kill him? God didn’t have a group of Christians come to his rescue. No, he sent people of the world to get him away from some of the people of the world.

I asked you a question Giver about that scripture and what it means to you. Obviously you don't have an answer, so you fire back with nothing that has to do with the question I asked you. Once again, what does that scripture mean to you?